Jill has been suffering from the cold
However, I have come to the decision that I like a small boat.
The Centaur is an excellent boat but it is not as good for sailing as Katie
that is partly size and depth thing.
These are two moments I really loved last week which would have been impossible in a deeper draft boat.
the first is sailing in behind Inver bar late in the evening - there is about 18 inches under the twin keels.
the Other is leaving in the morning. I shoved her bow into a sand bank to make tea and then I used the genoa to drift us off
I could do neither of these in the Centaur.
I have spotted a few of these boats
22 foot - triple keel - inside and outside driving positions
there is one on ebay at the moment
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/cox-master-mariner-motor-sailer-22ft-6inch-/271925256617
If it has a triple keel then it will be no worse than the slug - I can get hold of a big ghoster for making her go offwind. Longer term, if I like her enough I could gunterise the rig
Obviously not going to buy this one unless it fails to sell.
The other thing is that the old Tohatsu would shove it along nicely if the engine turns out to be a real lemon.
D
“My beautiful cox master mariner”
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
i think the nicest thing about the cox is the inside dinette in the wheelhouse – looks really cosy. That one in tayport (Myris) sails ok – better than i expected. I’ll let you know if Stuart and Peter decide to sell!
Bring back the slug!
Does not look like dropping the mast for bridges would be easy with the wheelhouse in the way – how would that compare?
Here is a copy of an old post about the horizontal ysm 12, a newer version of the yse 12.
Given your dislike of the slugs engine, you may not like this one either…
“I have a YSM12 in a 30′ Hunter plastic sailboat. The YSM is essentially the same beast, but a little newer.
I hate it! It’s reliable and durable as can be, BUT it is very noisy, heavy for its output and shakes and vibrates like you wouldn’t believe at low revs. I avoid using the lower half of the rev range for fear of it tearing loose from its mounts, or otherwise damaging the boat with extreme vibration, and I’m not exaggerating. At idle it’s barely tolerable, and at high cruising RPMs it’s much better, but running at low speeds, no tach but guessing 900 to 2000 RPMs, is out of the question.
It’s a single HORIZONTAL cylinder design, so it doesn’t apply its wiggle force downward onto its bed, it wiggles side to side. I’ve had motor mount bolts break, and whole mounts fail.
Its other quirk, again related to the single cylinder, it has a heavy flywheel to smooth out the irregular motion of the crank, hah! This heavy flywheel makes it slow to accelerate, and equally slow to decelerate. Even in neutral it takes a few seconds to rev up to full speed, and a few seconds to rev back down to idle. This can make close quarter maneuvering interesting. Think large vessel response times.
Other than that, it’s a peach! “
For sailing the Northern waters or winter sailing, that looks like a very sensible craft. Certainly would be more pleasant on a pontoon, or while riding-out bad weather on the hook. And being able to motor while utilizing the indoor-helm is raining is a definite plus — or even for sailing during a short squall. The heavier displacement and the higher bow should make her more-friendly in a seaway or riding at anchor. More full-height living space in the saloon, and the separate cabin forwards gives a couple a little more privacy.
Are you thinking of trading-in the KatieL, or keeping her in the South while using the Cox (or something similar) for Northern sailing? A heavier boat like the Cox would be nice for the Hebrides and the Irish Sea.
But the KatieL would still be ideal for exploring the Broads and some of the wider inland canals using the Honda. Plus on her trailer, you can move the KatieL around to explore during the Winter months.
Hey Dylan
Don’t let the YSM throw you.
We have one in Dragonfly, it’s a 1978 and it’s a bloody workhorse.we a have a 5 ton 30′ IOR design and it pushes us a 6 knots (5.5 comfortably). A little regular maintenance ( mostly fuel filters) and she’ll do the job.
Tripper Dave aboard a Dragonfly
Tonight in Scudder harbour on Pelee Island in Lake Erie.
Looks like a very good boat. What is it’s air draft with the mast down in the tabernacle. Would it get under Potter Heigham bridge. I know that isn’t what you are aiming for but as the years go by and you move to East Anglia she could become an inland cruiser again and I bet she’d be good on the Broads as well as in Northern exposed waters.
Justin
PS I bought a rare bilge keel Trapper 300 instead of a Centaur as I prefered her lines and thought she’d be faster. However in club racing I can’t beat a local Centaur which has a folding prop and good sails! Humph! Now I’ve got to buy a folding prop too and new sails too.
cold wife, cold life…
May I suggest: http://link.marktplaats.nl/m875968247 (or is it too far over budget?)
For sale: Southerly 28 , depth 90 centimeter the doyen among the hydraulic lifting keel seagoing vessels. Strong body construction and spacious comfortable and seaworthy cockpit . 28 ft , built in 1978 Dimensions : 8.50 x 2.75 x 0.90 / 1:40 Keel-centreboard. Mast can be lowered. Jib and genoa . Inside control possible . 5 berths . Engine: Mitsubishi 3 cylinder diesel (silent engine ) 2006 , also stainless steel fuel tank of 100 liters, 2006 . Very well equipped including raft. Suitable for the Dutch and German Wadden Sea and the English East coast and shallow water / mud flats . For sale due to age owner. For questions or more information please contact us via email or phone. Asking price € 13,000
Eade
Photo of Southerly 28 shows it has 2 bilge plates so it rests off the bottom with hydraulic keel raised.
You’ll be able to fit a (drift) wood burning stove with cooking plates for the day’s catch, comfy rug, maybe even a reclining sofa so you can watch the rain hammering against the windows while you sip your whisky (at least that’s what you can tell Jill). Go for it.
I looked into one of these that was for sail near me. Nimble Arctic 25.
( http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/49423 ) not this one, but similar…
Light enough to be a trailer sailor, but I question if the Sharpie-style hull is appropriate the Chesapeake or Delaware Bays, or just offshore. It’s a giant version of your duck-punt. They apparently are popular in the Puget Sound area and the Florida Keys, but they have minimal tides. More of a lake and river sailer. The layout of saloon isn’t ideal since the overhang of the deck seriously intrudes into the saloon, hence the massive seatback cushions. You lose 18-inches on both sides just where you’d like some shoulder-room. And the “galley” just plain sucks…
When they’re heeled they cut through the water, but I fear that when motoring they pound-like-hell in a short chop or offshore. Uses a 9.9-HP outboard with a transom-hung rudder. The centerboard-version is shallower and can be grounded on the mud, but the centerboard trunk seriously-compromises the saloon. But here in the US we don’t use mud-berths or drying-moorings much anyway. I liked the all-weather aspect and the tabernacle’d mast, if I could find something similar that was more-seakindly below the waterline.
name of that boat seems appropriate ;)
Hi Dylan
I like the plan
I was checking out under £10000 motor sailer on applo duck
Lost of interesting candidates , some with 4107/8 Perkins 4 cyl diesels! Which does not excite you but sup reliable smooth engine. Some for less than £5000.
http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/search.phtml?search=Motor+sailer&exact=1&advert_type=1&cat=&subcat=&cat2=&subcat2=&cat3=&subcat3=&cat4=&subcat4=&fx=GBP&minv=&maxv=10000&minlength=0&maxlength=0&maxbeam=&maxdraft=&minyear=&maxyear=&berths=&fuel=&material=&continent=&search_nation=&search_county=&search_nation2=&search_county2=&search_nation3=&search_county3=&search_nation4=&search_county4=&sr=1&q=1&x=1#result
KatieL defiantly looks small and exposed for Scotland
Warren
I don’t know UK boats, but I think you would need a cockpit steering station for filming.
Looks like a great idea to me-my only slight worry would be where would I get a new ‘windscreen’ if broke?!
Dylan
Just looking for m sailers while I watch guys beat them selves up on the Tour de France bike race
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/112955639/colvic-24-motorsailer.html
Why is this nice looking centaur so cheap? $5000+
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113017171/26ft-westerly-centaur-yacht-now-reduced.html
This looks nice too and just quirky enough under 5000
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113351634/23-foot-virgo-voyager.html
Weird barn find….. I don’t think I could run fast enough from this!
http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/boat_details.php?boat_id=354
Lucky you missed this one!
http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/boat_details.php?boat_id=352
Warren
“the centaur would be worth having a look at I reckon”
Volvo MD 2…..aaarrrrghh
Does the boy never learn ?…..
from one who knows :0)
Aha! That IS a cunning plan. Can’t believe nobody’s thought of it before……
18 inches, that’s deep sea to me! Drascombe coaster owner.
I was going to suggest a lifting keel boat (maybe a hunter madina) but hadn’t thought about rocks.
( Thames estuary sailor)
So as I see it, you want small with a shallow draft and a warm cabin and a sturdy bottom. The Dutch have wonderful steel craft I think translated as Sea Cows or zeeschouw
some are cheap. here’s one http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/323041102_9c899eac88_m.jpg
They look an interesting boat Dylan. I just wonder do they rate them by the Windscreen like VW camper vans? Are you a bay window fan, or do you prefer the splitty? lol.
I much prefer the splitty myself.
The smaller Colvic hulls might suit you and your frozen missus. As a Hunter Pilot owner I can highly recommend the capacity to steer from downstairs in miserable weather.
Going Dutch might be interesting,they know a thing or two about pies too!
Hi Dylan
Just see your freezing wife and your plan about a small boat with good living space.
Check out the polish boatbuilders from Haber. Designed to lower the mast fast, with centerboard and big living space. Even the n
http://haber-yachts.com/index.php?page=en-lodzie-zaglowe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVhZbh7qErI
The 660 is also available with inside steering.
Hi Dylan,
Just come across this on ebay, thought it might be of interest to you.
Motor Sailer 4 Berth 22ft, yacht, boat, Swin Ranger
Hi guys, appreciate I’m a little late finding this, but I’m also on West coast Scotland and looking for a Swin or Cox 4 berth, know any avail?
Cox 22 for sale in Rhyl £7000
This has been on Apolloduck for a few weeks:
http://wales.boatshed.com/cox_master_mariner_22-boat-213647.html
Needs a fair bit of work, according to the blurb.
Ahoy guys, check out the FB page, Master Mariner Priorycraft, for Cox and Priorycraft Master Mariner info and forum.
see FaceBook page, Master Mariner Priorycraft for Cox Marine and Priorycraft boat info.
Ahoy Dylan, I’ll shortly be sailing a Priorycraft Master Mariner from Troon. Similar to Cox MM, 22′ 6″ triple keel, yanmar, etc, but with round portholes and V berth. Whereabouts in Scotland are you? Check out my Facebook page, Master Mariner Priorycraft. Regards, Dave
Ahoy guys, taken a shufti at my FB page, Master Mariner Priorycraft, yet? The unmasted boat in the main pic is mine.
Go on, you know you want one- a snip at £40k!
ever thought of adding a eberspacher to Katie L?