I have a plan – Cox 22 Master Mariner

Jill has been suffering from the cold

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However, I have come to the decision that I like a small boat.

The Centaur is an excellent boat but it is not as good for sailing as Katie

that is partly size and depth thing.

These are two moments I really loved last week which would have been impossible in a deeper draft boat.

the first is sailing in behind Inver bar late in the evening - there is about 18 inches under the twin keels.

 

the Other is leaving in the morning. I shoved her bow into a sand bank to make tea and then I used the genoa to drift us off

 

I could do neither of these in the Centaur.

I have spotted a few of these boats

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22 foot - triple keel - inside and outside driving positions

there is one on ebay at the moment

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/cox-master-mariner-motor-sailer-22ft-6inch-/271925256617

If it has a triple keel then it will be no worse than the slug - I can get hold of a big ghoster for making her go offwind. Longer term, if I like her enough  I could gunterise the rig

Obviously not going to buy this one unless it fails to sell.

The other thing is that the old Tohatsu would shove it along nicely if the engine turns out to be a real lemon.

D

 

 

 

 

 

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65 Responses to “I have a plan – Cox 22 Master Mariner”

  1. 18 July, 2015 at 4:22 pmDavid says:

    “My beautiful cox master mariner”

    I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

  2. 18 July, 2015 at 4:28 pmdylan winter says:

    beauty and standing headroom come at a price

    it is the view from the cockpit that counts

    D

  3. 18 July, 2015 at 8:18 pmNiall Moran says:

    i think the nicest thing about the cox is the inside dinette in the wheelhouse – looks really cosy. That one in tayport (Myris) sails ok – better than i expected. I’ll let you know if Stuart and Peter decide to sell!

  4. 18 July, 2015 at 9:00 pmRonan says:

    Bring back the slug!

  5. 18 July, 2015 at 9:17 pmEuan Mckenzie says:

    Masthead cruising chute has that effect on my boat

  6. 18 July, 2015 at 11:04 pmAndrew Latham says:

    Does not look like dropping the mast for bridges would be easy with the wheelhouse in the way – how would that compare?

  7. 18 July, 2015 at 11:07 pmdylan winter says:

    They come with an impressive tabernacle.

  8. 18 July, 2015 at 11:16 pmRivercruiser says:

    Here is a copy of an old post about the horizontal ysm 12, a newer version of the yse 12.
    Given your dislike of the slugs engine, you may not like this one either…

    “I have a YSM12 in a 30′ Hunter plastic sailboat. The YSM is essentially the same beast, but a little newer.

    I hate it! It’s reliable and durable as can be, BUT it is very noisy, heavy for its output and shakes and vibrates like you wouldn’t believe at low revs. I avoid using the lower half of the rev range for fear of it tearing loose from its mounts, or otherwise damaging the boat with extreme vibration, and I’m not exaggerating. At idle it’s barely tolerable, and at high cruising RPMs it’s much better, but running at low speeds, no tach but guessing 900 to 2000 RPMs, is out of the question.

    It’s a single HORIZONTAL cylinder design, so it doesn’t apply its wiggle force downward onto its bed, it wiggles side to side. I’ve had motor mount bolts break, and whole mounts fail.

    Its other quirk, again related to the single cylinder, it has a heavy flywheel to smooth out the irregular motion of the crank, hah! This heavy flywheel makes it slow to accelerate, and equally slow to decelerate. Even in neutral it takes a few seconds to rev up to full speed, and a few seconds to rev back down to idle. This can make close quarter maneuvering interesting. Think large vessel response times.

    Other than that, it’s a peach! “

  9. 18 July, 2015 at 11:18 pmdylan winter says:

    that sounds bad

    maybe I can find one with a dead engine and……well you know the rest

  10. 18 July, 2015 at 11:23 pmdylan winter says:

    the slug has been re-engined and is happily sailing on the blackwater

    it also does not solve the cold wife problem

  11. 18 July, 2015 at 11:35 pmTed B. (Charging Rhino) says:

    For sailing the Northern waters or winter sailing, that looks like a very sensible craft. Certainly would be more pleasant on a pontoon, or while riding-out bad weather on the hook. And being able to motor while utilizing the indoor-helm is raining is a definite plus — or even for sailing during a short squall. The heavier displacement and the higher bow should make her more-friendly in a seaway or riding at anchor. More full-height living space in the saloon, and the separate cabin forwards gives a couple a little more privacy.

  12. 18 July, 2015 at 11:39 pmdylan winter says:

    privacy be damned… Jill can go to bed leaving me to get on with the writing on a table

    We will see what transpires. The one in the advert does not have the bilge keels so it will fall over when the tide goes out

    I have never steered a sailing boat from inside – must be pretty weird

  13. 19 July, 2015 at 12:04 amTed B. (Charging Rhino) says:

    Are you thinking of trading-in the KatieL, or keeping her in the South while using the Cox (or something similar) for Northern sailing? A heavier boat like the Cox would be nice for the Hebrides and the Irish Sea.

    But the KatieL would still be ideal for exploring the Broads and some of the wider inland canals using the Honda. Plus on her trailer, you can move the KatieL around to explore during the Winter months.

  14. 19 July, 2015 at 12:17 amdylan winter says:

    I want to keep her for shallow sailing and for when I end up on the blackwater – she is an utter delight to sail. I aim to end my sailing days with her. In the shorter term I have a problem with a cold wife so I have to get something which is warmer for Jill

  15. 19 July, 2015 at 1:07 amTripper Dave says:

    Hey Dylan
    Don’t let the YSM throw you.
    We have one in Dragonfly, it’s a 1978 and it’s a bloody workhorse.we a have a 5 ton 30′ IOR design and it pushes us a 6 knots (5.5 comfortably). A little regular maintenance ( mostly fuel filters) and she’ll do the job.
    Tripper Dave aboard a Dragonfly
    Tonight in Scudder harbour on Pelee Island in Lake Erie.

  16. 19 July, 2015 at 3:00 amJ. Peter Haliburton says:

    I can see that boat being quite practical for certain situations and conditions.

  17. 19 July, 2015 at 3:20 amJeff says:

    Bit of an odd duck but I like it!
    What’s the old saying……..Happy wife, happy life?

    .

  18. 19 July, 2015 at 9:30 amdylan winter says:

    happy wife… more sailing…. and the more she is aboard the happier I am

  19. 19 July, 2015 at 9:30 amdylan winter says:

    marvellous for the rain and the cold – not a marvellous sailer I am sure – however I try to sail off the wind as much as possible. The main thing is to be able to sail more in scotland

  20. 19 July, 2015 at 10:30 amJustin says:

    Looks like a very good boat. What is it’s air draft with the mast down in the tabernacle. Would it get under Potter Heigham bridge. I know that isn’t what you are aiming for but as the years go by and you move to East Anglia she could become an inland cruiser again and I bet she’d be good on the Broads as well as in Northern exposed waters.

    Justin

    PS I bought a rare bilge keel Trapper 300 instead of a Centaur as I prefered her lines and thought she’d be faster. However in club racing I can’t beat a local Centaur which has a folding prop and good sails! Humph! Now I’ve got to buy a folding prop too and new sails too.

  21. 19 July, 2015 at 10:46 amdylan winter says:

    hahaqhahahahaha

    good one

    although having sailed the centaur and watched my laser sailing son tweak the fek out of Harmony then I have realised that Centaurs – in the right hands – sail amazingly well

    I am really thinking that this boat will be short term – maybe three years until I leave the cold places

    D

  22. 19 July, 2015 at 12:34 pmEade says:

    cold wife, cold life…

    May I suggest: http://link.marktplaats.nl/m875968247 (or is it too far over budget?)

    For sale: Southerly 28 , depth 90 centimeter the doyen among the hydraulic lifting keel seagoing vessels. Strong body construction and spacious comfortable and seaworthy cockpit . 28 ft , built in 1978 Dimensions : 8.50 x 2.75 x 0.90 / 1:40 Keel-centreboard. Mast can be lowered. Jib and genoa . Inside control possible . 5 berths . Engine: Mitsubishi 3 cylinder diesel (silent engine ) 2006 , also stainless steel fuel tank of 100 liters, 2006 . Very well equipped including raft. Suitable for the Dutch and German Wadden Sea and the English East coast and shallow water / mud flats . For sale due to age owner. For questions or more information please contact us via email or phone. Asking price € 13,000

    Eade

  23. 19 July, 2015 at 3:23 pmdylan winter says:

    it has to be a boat that does not fall over when the water goes away

    the bottoms of harbours can be pretty rocky – so I need twin keels that are metal tipped

    I had an eboat with lift keel – became a bit paranoid about what she was going down on Fnaa fnaa!

  24. 19 July, 2015 at 3:52 pmJustin says:

    Photo of Southerly 28 shows it has 2 bilge plates so it rests off the bottom with hydraulic keel raised.

  25. 19 July, 2015 at 5:52 pmRon G says:

    You’ll be able to fit a (drift) wood burning stove with cooking plates for the day’s catch, comfy rug, maybe even a reclining sofa so you can watch the rain hammering against the windows while you sip your whisky (at least that’s what you can tell Jill). Go for it.

  26. 19 July, 2015 at 7:14 pmTed B. (Charging Rhino) says:

    I looked into one of these that was for sail near me. Nimble Arctic 25.
    ( http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/49423 ) not this one, but similar…

    Light enough to be a trailer sailor, but I question if the Sharpie-style hull is appropriate the Chesapeake or Delaware Bays, or just offshore. It’s a giant version of your duck-punt. They apparently are popular in the Puget Sound area and the Florida Keys, but they have minimal tides. More of a lake and river sailer. The layout of saloon isn’t ideal since the overhang of the deck seriously intrudes into the saloon, hence the massive seatback cushions. You lose 18-inches on both sides just where you’d like some shoulder-room. And the “galley” just plain sucks…

    When they’re heeled they cut through the water, but I fear that when motoring they pound-like-hell in a short chop or offshore. Uses a 9.9-HP outboard with a transom-hung rudder. The centerboard-version is shallower and can be grounded on the mud, but the centerboard trunk seriously-compromises the saloon. But here in the US we don’t use mud-berths or drying-moorings much anyway. I liked the all-weather aspect and the tabernacle’d mast, if I could find something similar that was more-seakindly below the waterline.

  27. 19 July, 2015 at 7:45 pmdylan winter says:

    aha

    D

  28. 19 July, 2015 at 10:58 pmNiall Moran says:

    name of that boat seems appropriate ;)

  29. 20 July, 2015 at 2:49 amWarren says:

    Hi Dylan
    I like the plan
    I was checking out under £10000 motor sailer on applo duck
    Lost of interesting candidates , some with 4107/8 Perkins 4 cyl diesels! Which does not excite you but sup reliable smooth engine. Some for less than £5000.
    http://www.apolloduck.co.uk/search.phtml?search=Motor+sailer&exact=1&advert_type=1&cat=&subcat=&cat2=&subcat2=&cat3=&subcat3=&cat4=&subcat4=&fx=GBP&minv=&maxv=10000&minlength=0&maxlength=0&maxbeam=&maxdraft=&minyear=&maxyear=&berths=&fuel=&material=&continent=&search_nation=&search_county=&search_nation2=&search_county2=&search_nation3=&search_county3=&search_nation4=&search_county4=&sr=1&q=1&x=1#result
    KatieL defiantly looks small and exposed for Scotland
    Warren

  30. 20 July, 2015 at 8:20 amdylan winter says:

    there is a swin ranger there I had not spotted

    I shall investigate

    thanks W

    D

  31. 20 July, 2015 at 10:59 amNigel Rudgewick-Brown says:

    Looks quite good too.

  32. 20 July, 2015 at 9:42 pmDavid Jeffery says:

    I don’t know UK boats, but I think you would need a cockpit steering station for filming.

  33. 20 July, 2015 at 10:51 pmdylan winter says:

    that does worry me – the view forward. At the moment I usually drop the spray hood when filming and I know that the cabin oout get in the way…. however, almost nothing is beyond the wit of a man who wishes his wife to carry on sailing with him

  34. 20 July, 2015 at 10:56 pmSteve says:

    Looks like a great idea to me-my only slight worry would be where would I get a new ‘windscreen’ if broke?!

  35. 20 July, 2015 at 11:21 pmdylan winter says:

    and it would be fairly easy for a genoa block to clonk it or some old duffer shove a whisker pole through the windscreen

    it also reminds me of the old ford consul

  36. 21 July, 2015 at 3:38 amWarren says:

    Dylan
    Just looking for m sailers while I watch guys beat them selves up on the Tour de France bike race
    http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/112955639/colvic-24-motorsailer.html

    Why is this nice looking centaur so cheap? $5000+
    http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113017171/26ft-westerly-centaur-yacht-now-reduced.html

    This looks nice too and just quirky enough under 5000
    http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/113351634/23-foot-virgo-voyager.html

    Weird barn find….. I don’t think I could run fast enough from this!
    http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/boat_details.php?boat_id=354

    Lucky you missed this one!
    http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/boat_details.php?boat_id=352
    Warren

  37. 21 July, 2015 at 8:48 amdylan winter says:

    this is a cracker

    http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/boat_details.php?boat_id=354

    the centaur would be worth having a look at I reckon

    D

  38. 21 July, 2015 at 3:18 pmApplescruffs says:

    “the centaur would be worth having a look at I reckon”

    Volvo MD 2…..aaarrrrghh

    Does the boy never learn ?…..

    from one who knows :0)

  39. 21 July, 2015 at 3:24 pmdylan winter says:

    I have plan B and plan C for when the old engine goes pop

    Plan B involves an outboard bracket on the back which I will use until the end of the season

    plan C involves two skilled friends, a jig saw, some thick ply and a boot full of epoxy

  40. 21 July, 2015 at 6:34 pmRon G says:

    Aha! That IS a cunning plan. Can’t believe nobody’s thought of it before……

  41. 21 July, 2015 at 8:22 pmDave says:

    18 inches, that’s deep sea to me! Drascombe coaster owner.
    I was going to suggest a lifting keel boat (maybe a hunter madina) but hadn’t thought about rocks.
    ( Thames estuary sailor)

    So as I see it, you want small with a shallow draft and a warm cabin and a sturdy bottom. The Dutch have wonderful steel craft I think translated as Sea Cows or zeeschouw
    some are cheap. here’s one http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/323041102_9c899eac88_m.jpg

  42. 21 July, 2015 at 8:48 pmMark the Skint Sailor says:

    They look an interesting boat Dylan. I just wonder do they rate them by the Windscreen like VW camper vans? Are you a bay window fan, or do you prefer the splitty? lol.

    I much prefer the splitty myself.

  43. 23 July, 2015 at 9:30 pmEuan Mckenzie says:

    my windscreen has lasted since 1972 on my HR Rasmus

    Harmony is across the pontoon from me now at Largs. I was looking at her and admiring all the things you rave about in her

    Full cockpit cover from Sprayhood to and proper heater on a centaur would be great for West Coast Sailing

  44. 24 July, 2015 at 9:55 amdylan winter says:

    aaah!

    there she is

    waiting…. if you see Jon…. go say hello

  45. 24 July, 2015 at 12:02 pmChris Rayner says:

    The smaller Colvic hulls might suit you and your frozen missus. As a Hunter Pilot owner I can highly recommend the capacity to steer from downstairs in miserable weather.

  46. 25 July, 2015 at 11:54 pmSteve says:

    Going Dutch might be interesting,they know a thing or two about pies too!

  47. 26 July, 2015 at 8:10 amdylan winter says:

    I would love to do some sailing in Holland when the rest of the trip is done

  48. 30 July, 2015 at 9:10 amChristoph says:

    Hi Dylan

    Just see your freezing wife and your plan about a small boat with good living space.
    Check out the polish boatbuilders from Haber. Designed to lower the mast fast, with centerboard and big living space. Even the n
    http://haber-yachts.com/index.php?page=en-lodzie-zaglowe
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVhZbh7qErI
    The 660 is also available with inside steering.

  49. 30 July, 2015 at 5:10 pmdylan winter says:

    seen them

    way out of my budget though

  50. 30 July, 2015 at 9:36 pmLlewellyn says:

    Hi Dylan,
    Just come across this on ebay, thought it might be of interest to you.

    Motor Sailer 4 Berth 22ft, yacht, boat, Swin Ranger

  51. 22 December, 2015 at 5:51 pmDave Crompton says:

    Hi guys, appreciate I’m a little late finding this, but I’m also on West coast Scotland and looking for a Swin or Cox 4 berth, know any avail?

  52. 22 December, 2015 at 6:58 pmdylan winter says:

    I tried to track down a cox 22 and failed

    there are not many of them around

    D

  53. 2 February, 2016 at 8:48 amAdrian McCarroll says:

    Cox 22 for sale in Rhyl £7000

  54. 2 February, 2016 at 9:40 amdylan winter says:

    too late

  55. 19 April, 2016 at 4:35 pmPhil says:

    This has been on Apolloduck for a few weeks:

    http://wales.boatshed.com/cox_master_mariner_22-boat-213647.html

    Needs a fair bit of work, according to the blurb.

  56. 19 April, 2016 at 8:01 pmdylan winter says:

    blimey that is a wreck for 5K

    d

  57. 26 April, 2016 at 8:01 pmDave C says:

    Ahoy guys, check out the FB page, Master Mariner Priorycraft, for Cox and Priorycraft Master Mariner info and forum.

  58. 26 April, 2016 at 8:02 pmDave C says:

    see FaceBook page, Master Mariner Priorycraft for Cox Marine and Priorycraft boat info.

  59. 19 July, 2016 at 8:46 pmDave C says:

    Ahoy Dylan, I’ll shortly be sailing a Priorycraft Master Mariner from Troon. Similar to Cox MM, 22′ 6″ triple keel, yanmar, etc, but with round portholes and V berth. Whereabouts in Scotland are you? Check out my Facebook page, Master Mariner Priorycraft. Regards, Dave

  60. 19 July, 2016 at 8:51 pmDave C says:

    Ahoy guys, taken a shufti at my FB page, Master Mariner Priorycraft, yet? The unmasted boat in the main pic is mine.

  61. 3 January, 2017 at 10:06 pmKelpie says:

    Go on, you know you want one- a snip at £40k!

    http://haber-yachts.com/index.php?page=en-haber620g

  62. 29 August, 2017 at 6:46 pmManuel P says:

    ever thought of adding a eberspacher to Katie L?

  63. 29 August, 2017 at 9:50 pmdylan winter says:

    It would be nice… but they use a lot of electrical power so they need some pretty hefty batteries

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