Selling Lily M – resurrecting Katie L

I have decided that Lily M is going to have to go.

I bought her with the intention of keeping her, with her immaculate engine, for about five years while I sailed out to and around the outer Hebrides, Jura, Islay, Fingals Cave etc etc but that will all have to go on the back burner for a couple of seasons or so. 

There is nothing wrong with the boat, apart from the absence of a heater, she is perfect for the job but I have simply run out of budget. It costs £100 in diesel every time I drive to Scotland. The pontoon is Kip is currently costing £100 a month so I neeed to get shot of the boat before the pontoon prices go through the roof. T

I will sell her this spring and then put the money released into getting Katie L back into good condition.

The trailer needs £1000 spent on it, the nicked outboard needs replacing, she needs re-wiring and the centre plate pivot bolt is getting sloppy.  I reckon that I have enough material in the can to make about ten more films which I will scatter through the rest of this winter and next. Then I will see where I stand.

 

The last film was a massive success in terms of numbers who watched it and the number of minutes watched. It was a record for any of my films - but the paypal taps were right down - netting about $600 - barely enough for two winter hits to Glasgow and noty enough to justify the three weeks it took to edit the film.

 

I am sure many of you spotted it , but I made this short film and only put it on youtube

 

 

 

 

You guys who come to this website are fantastic and have kept the show on the road but when it comes to youtube 120 taps for 8,000 hits is unsustainable.. Please don't send me your sympathies. I am an old freelance hack and have hit the financial buffers several times over my 40 year career. The secret is to see the cash flow problem coming and not get into debt so that is why I am "sweating the assets" as Julian said in one of his emails.

The journey has been great so far and it will get under way again. It will be no bad thing to close the gap between the time when the time when the films are shot and the time when they are ready to go on the web. So I have frilms to come about the west coast of scotland - not the islands and also quite a few about the summer of 2015 which was spent in and around the Firth of Forth and the Moray Firth.

Centaurs are easy to buy and easy to sell - and who knows, one day I might end up buying a third one

It will be great to get back to the little boat again - she sails so beautifully

when I made this film I expected to keep Lily M for five years and to0 do a lot of miles in her

When you are a sailor plans are always changing.

 

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83 Responses to “Selling Lily M – resurrecting Katie L”

  1. 26 January, 2017 at 3:10 pmEuan Mckenzie says:

    Watched it on my tele via u tube then tapped on line there is on double count for you I suspect I’m not alone

  2. 26 January, 2017 at 3:54 pmJustin says:

    Sounds like a good plan. Where are you going to sail Katie L then next? Irish Sea; Welsh coast; Bristol Channel; SW peninsular; Dorset? The British Isles is your oyster and that is the beauty of a trailer sailer and your Minstrel is probably the best available with her sensible accommodation for 2 people and her easily erected rig and her outboard.

    Good luck

    Justin

  3. 26 January, 2017 at 3:57 pmDave says:

    bigger boats just cost more … and you can have as much fun on a small boat. i’ve put a bit towards your boat/fuel fund via paypal.

  4. 26 January, 2017 at 3:57 pmdylan winter says:

    thanks J

    it has always been plan B. I need to get on with making the films and badgering youtubists. My plan now is to do the North sea. Katie L is marvelous – but not great for sitting out cruddy weather attached to a pontoon. Jill and I spent ten days in Edinburgh aboard waiting for scotland to ease up…. its didn’t.

    So the sailing will only be in mid summer – in the Irish sea I hope

    I might end up as the only man ever to have bought three centaurs

    D

  5. 26 January, 2017 at 4:05 pmJustin says:

    Dylan, can you remind me of your email. I think you’ve changed it since April 2016 when we last corresponded. I’ve a proposition to put to you. Don’t rush to buy an outboard. Talk to me first.

    Justin

  6. 26 January, 2017 at 4:05 pmJustin says:

    I’ve changed my email too.

    Justin

  7. 26 January, 2017 at 4:26 pmmark the skint sailor says:

    Dylan, sailing around rocks is okay for a while, but I suspect muddy estuaries are where your heart lies. :-)

    Plenty of those further South. I can imagine you exploring the Mersey and the Dee via Katie L and getting the old Mojo back. Probably half the distance by car too. Plenty of history to explore.

    I suspect Ireland would have to wait too, If you attempted a circumnavigation I can’t imagine the cost of travelling over there by car. Maybe a few weeks of the summer exploring the Eastern side in Katie L?

    Then after the seaside towns of Wales, you’ve got the Bristol channel. Lots to see there and plenty of mud at low tide too.

  8. 26 January, 2017 at 4:52 pmTed B. (Charging Rhino) says:

    Sounds like a reasonable plan…especially with the driving distances involved now you’re going to be based on the Deben. Driving the equivalent of NY to Chicago and back for a few days of sailing in dodgy weather is madness. Sailing is supposed to be fun….

    Plus, you already have several years of video-footage of Northern Scotland in Harmony and KatieL, and Western Scotland in LilyM in the can for future editing and post-production. Getting caught-up has it’s own virtues. There’s little value in getting too-far ahead of yourself.

    The nice thing about a trailer-sailer is the trailer. Upgrade KatieL and you still have the option of with the VW estate to mount extended warm-weather campaigns around the Irish Sea and Wales in the future — while exploring other, closer waters during the balance of the year. I’m sure there are plenty of places you might wish to re-visit, or the deserve a 2nd-look. Now that you have a near-perfected folding River-Rig for KatieL you can access the wider canals and quiet rivers nearer to home.

    …And there’s the Norfolk Broads to revisit. KatieL is a much better sailer for the Broads compared to the Slug.

  9. 26 January, 2017 at 6:34 pmdylan winter says:

    You are right in part. Scotland is fantastic but I have now spent two summers in centaurs up there and one in the Minstrel. I can tell you that it eight times tougher in a minstrel than it is in a centaur.

    I love all sailing everywhere. I have a lot of scotland I still want to make films about. I have the energy and enthusism to take it on – but not in a 22 footer with an outboard. I am 61 this year. I still aim to spend a summer in the outer hebs, Islay and Jura, Canna et al but these places will have to wait until I get a boat with full standing headroom again.

    Surviving four days on a mooring or at anchor while a hoolie blows through is possible on the centaur – I have done it. On a trailer sailer with no dinghy…. well I am just not hard enough.

    With any luck as I continue to make films the budget will start to shift back into the black. In the meantime – sweat the assets a bit.

  10. 26 January, 2017 at 6:46 pmPaul Thompson says:

    Or the only man dumb enough to sell the first one… ?

  11. 26 January, 2017 at 7:16 pmKen Louisa Mary says:

    Scotland and the Clyde are amazing few boats big skies great wildlife but
    the weather all four seasons in a day and the journey from the south  by train car or plan takes a lot of the fun out of it 

    The east cost is stunning for a small boat marsh mud birds

    the south west has great rivers the Dart Lyner Fal and not to far

    I take my boat there from the over crowded solent most years and stop for a month or so cheap ish mooring and the train is not to bad life is full of ups and downs

    ps we met at GXSA a few years ago great talk

  12. 26 January, 2017 at 7:22 pmJustin says:

    Thanks
    I’ve emailed you with a proposition.
    Justin

  13. 26 January, 2017 at 7:27 pmhenrik scheel says:

    Very nice to hear that the saga will continue. We would not be able to cope with the idea of you stopping the sailing venture completely. We will stay tuned for the next development whether it will be by Centaur, Hunter Minstrel or duck punt. North Sea sound interesting, are you thinking of doing Holland?

  14. 26 January, 2017 at 7:54 pmDave says:

    I think I find the Katie L and slug stuff far more watchable and enjoyable. Once you got a “big” yacht you were just a guy sailing, it lost something in my view, sorry

  15. 26 January, 2017 at 8:01 pmAndrew Wilkinson says:

    Rather stunned when I received the news this morning, but on the positive side looking forward to those films. I’m sure you will gain a lot of satisfaction from completing the upgrade’s on Katie L, sailing her closer to home and renewing your (and our) acquaintance with the East Coast. We must hold you to that Hebridean summer though!

  16. 26 January, 2017 at 8:08 pmdylan winter says:

    I promised Gordon that I would – it was the honourable thing to do

  17. 26 January, 2017 at 8:11 pmdylan winter says:

    Holland would also need a boat with full standing headroom. I think the days have long gone when Jill, myself and the dog could spend a month or more on Katie L

  18. 26 January, 2017 at 8:12 pmdylan winter says:

    which was the kind offer of the loan of an outboard

    you are one very nice man

    but once I sell the Centaur I will have enough money to buy my own so that when/if I drop it over the side or get it nicked then I am the only loser.

    d

  19. 26 January, 2017 at 8:14 pmdylan winter says:

    well you will soon get about a dozen films from the Moray, the Tay and the Firth of Forth – all shot with Katie L. I agree that Katie L offers something the big boat does not – but I cannot really use her too far from home – when the weather turns crap a trailer sailer is a really yerrible place to be living – even on a pontoon. Untenable on a mooring or at anchor with no dinghy.

    I hear what you say but the hits on the web suggest that more people like the bigger boat stuff – the Centaur films get far more hits than the Katie L stuff. More tappers sail full standing headroom boats with inboards than those who creek crawl

  20. 26 January, 2017 at 8:15 pmdylan winter says:

    I reckon I have fifteen more hard sailing years in me – so I will, at some stage get another boat with standing headroom, an inboard and this time a heater. I am still up for the adventure…. just the budget is not.

    It will come back into balance I am sure. All I need to do is to pull in my horns for a while. Once I release the 5K from the Centaur then I will be back in balance

  21. 26 January, 2017 at 11:07 pmRichard Aston says:

    I think we all walk a tightrope when it comes to sailing and marriage.
    Life is such a balancing act!
    Maybe now is the time to soft pedal on sailing for a year or two?
    I wish you all the very best and thank you for the fun we have all had…. at your expense.

  22. 26 January, 2017 at 11:21 pmDave says:

    Its interesting you say more tappers sail “full headroom boats” I assume that reflects a better financial position. Ok my creek crawler cost more than LilyM to buy but the on going costs are minimal. Anyway I find the edges more interesting sailing.

  23. 26 January, 2017 at 11:25 pmdylan winter says:

    It is funny, I have never felt that way with Jill. She is used to me going away – I have always done it for work and her dad was in the Navy so periods apart seem perfectly natural to her. I think she enjoys five days or a week to schlep off to see her friends. She really wants to see the outer hebrides and the islands as much as I do. If we can get the right boat at some stage in the future we will do it. One of the things I love about sailing is that it offers all sorts of little challenges that can be met. A boat is a simple place – at the end of the week or day of sailing of sailing you can answer a few simple questions – did you go somewhere new? did you live to tell the tale? did you enjoy yourself?
    Real life does not offer such simple questions with easy answers.

  24. 26 January, 2017 at 11:34 pmdylan winter says:

    It could also be because there are more current, past and future centaur owners around as well. I think more people are interested in Orkney than the River Ouse.

  25. 27 January, 2017 at 8:29 amZoran says:

    Dylan I must join Dave in his opinion that Slug & Katie L were more fun to watch… I understand your point regarding standing headroom etc, however I will be (also) 61 this year and I find my Vivacity 20 perfect… except I sail mostly alone, wife find it too small etc…. I look at it as a good exercice ( which I do need ) and it helps keeping old (arthritic) joints in some shape…. somehow sailing a bigger boat brings you in a realm of normal I would say…. compared to sailing small boats which by default give everything a real sense of adventure…. also makes you one of a very few, as most of the people look to have some comfort on water (starting with standing headroom)…. in any case all the best with your plans and will keep watching for sure and tapping when we can.. Z.

  26. 27 January, 2017 at 9:21 amdylan winter says:

    I guess it is a case of the right boat for the job. I don’t think that I could get to the outer hebs and make decent films with the Minstrel or in your Vivacity – just not enough space for me, Jill, food, fuel. I do prefer sailing with Jill. I can survive solo in the Minstrel for a week on a pontoon – but surviving is all it is. Scotland is a tough place to sail in a small boat that is for sure.

    In scotland the Centaur is usually the smallest boat in the anchorages. I have met some people sailing smaller boats – they spend a fair amount of time in hotels when the weather turns bad. On the other hand, I could never have got the Centaur up to York.

    I think that the nature of the boat needs to change according to the nature of the places where I am sailing. One of the good things is that I do not know what is happening next

    It will be interesting to see what happens to the KTL stats when I start posting films about the Minstrel on the Forth, Tay and Moray firths. At the moment we have viewing figures and income taps heading in opposite directions.

  27. 27 January, 2017 at 10:49 amZoran says:

    Agree fully with you, thank you for taking time to reply-comment. Very true that it comes to having a right boat – for what you want to do and where. Keep well and i hope you find a good captain for Lily M very soon !

  28. 27 January, 2017 at 4:05 pmPeter Truelove says:

    There was an inevitability about this outcome. The logistics and financial implications of operating so far from home and in all seasons were obvious to us all. I commend you for carrying on as long as you did. I would like to sincerely thank you for the video archive of your voyage which I will watch for years to come. Your films are informative, interesting, funny and beautifully made. By the Dylan Winter Active Sailing Formula’ I see that I have only two years left so I had better crack on. P.

  29. 27 January, 2017 at 4:23 pmJJ says:

    Both bad and good news – can’t wait to see Katie L in action again. Just been doing the centreplate on my lib if you want to swap notes.

  30. 27 January, 2017 at 4:27 pmdylan winter says:

    you make it sound like a resignation Peter.

    This is merely a hiccup along the way – of no more and no less significance than the slug engine giving up, adsense dumping me, the outboard being nicked, the demise of DVDs or the wheel coming off the trailer on the A14.

    I am not done with adventuring yet.

    Centaurs are easy to buy and easy to sell.

    The films are being watched by more people and for longer than ever before

    The vast majority are watched on youtube by people who never come to this website.

    What I have to do is to reach through youtube

    At the moment 98.5 per cent of full length viewers don’t chip in

    you guys are doing all the heavy lifting

    I have a plan

    If it works for spotify it can work for KTL

    D

  31. 27 January, 2017 at 6:02 pmDave says:

    I don’t know all your circumstances but could you give up the house and get a nice comfortable live aboard for a season or so just too fill your northern aspirations.

  32. 27 January, 2017 at 6:21 pmJustin Harley says:

    Careful!
    Jill gives Dylan a lot of slack but that sounds like marital suicide unless Jill believes it was her idea.

  33. 27 January, 2017 at 6:28 pmdylan winter says:

    Jill would say no!

  34. 27 January, 2017 at 6:48 pmJustin says:

    I’ve just realised that by moving to Walb……. you’ve increased your journey time to anywhere by about 3 hours!!!

    We need to get you up and running with KatieL asap.

  35. 27 January, 2017 at 7:30 pmRichard Aston says:

    If it works for spotify it can work for KTL….

    Can you please explain?

  36. 27 January, 2017 at 7:33 pmwarren says:

    Well you got 3 more years of Scottish sailing than I will ever see and I am grateful for you showing it to me, I understand some of the attraction.
    Its a shame more folks don’t enjoy the skinny bits, Beaumont Quay was one of my all time favorites ,( I think you cut the bit where you went under the power lines with your son…..)
    https://vimeo.com/114797018
    The world of Blogging and now V-blogging is changing as fast as they can think up new ways to get our precious viewing hours and money (hence why I avoid FB, Twitter, instagram, etc) so you have to move with the times too.
    I look forward to the changes and improvement that it will bring you.
    The good thing is the waters you are sailing are still just as interesting as when you started this journey.
    Cheers warren

  37. 27 January, 2017 at 8:12 pmPeter Truelove says:

    I didn’t mean to make it sound like a resignation. I see it as a necessary change of course brought about by prevailing conditions. I am confident that the MOBs have plenty o look forward to. Interesting times ahead. P.

  38. 27 January, 2017 at 8:41 pmdylan winter says:

    I think I would go stale if I sailed the same stretch of river for several years. I will do my best to keep my sailing interesting while doing the bits I can do with the little boat. I think that do do scotland properly as an old bloke I do need a fisher 25. How I get one is the challenge.

  39. 27 January, 2017 at 8:42 pmdylan winter says:

    Perhaps you should buy Lily M – sail her here for a summer – no need to spend a penny on her

    then sell her again in the autumn

    immaculate engine, roller reefing mainsail, tatty but gernerally watertight cabin

    D

  40. 27 January, 2017 at 9:28 pmBen says:

    I too was slightly shocked that Dylan is to sale “Lille M”, but do understand the costs involved Driving up to Scotland and the Marina fees, I just hope it was not a certain Photographer in Troon last year put a damper on things?.

    The recent Videos are fantastic and watched the last one through my Video Projector on the Home Cinema Screen :).

    Keep up the good work and look forward to read about the “Katie L” later this years Adventures.

  41. 27 January, 2017 at 9:58 pmdylan winter says:

    I had expected to keep her for five years or so… but circumstances change.It is a change of plan is all.

  42. 27 January, 2017 at 10:50 pmRiley Morgan says:

    Ah “Change”
    As an MOB I think I resist change
    However it will be a new chapter.
    Hope you film the selling process and the work done on “Katie L”. I for one enjoy watching the peripheral activities involved in your boats as much as the actual trips. All part of the journey
    That’s better. Now I can embrace the change. Full steam ahead Dylan!

  43. 28 January, 2017 at 7:48 amdylan winter says:

    I have always had a problem with boredom. Change and new experiences or places are essential otherwise I fall asleep.

  44. 28 January, 2017 at 10:00 amPaul says:

    Since others have said it, I’m going to admit that I was much more into the KTL project when it was an old bloke in a little trailer sailer up a creek banging on about birds, tides, shapes in the mud, and whining about jet skies, mobo wash etc, all juxtaposed with some lovely film work and well picked music. I spent many late nights with a nice rum or scotch in hand relaxing and forgetting about my crap day at work and my KTL DVDs still sit proudly in my bookcase with my sailing books! In fact I even met another sailor on a beach, on an island, here in Australia and KTL came up and he said similar about the East Coast stuff. Maybe you should go back to where you started and start turning right for a while in that lovely little Katie L You’d have to add something clever to the name of the project of course, but as long as you had covered everything in the end, most of us would be happy I think :-)

  45. 28 January, 2017 at 10:18 amdylan winter says:

    Thanks gents for caring what a bloke you have probably never met sailing a boat you have only seen on filmto places you are unlikely to go is doing. I think the web is amazing that in some ways, you blokes are sort of friends.

    This has, in every sense of the word, been a group thing. Some of you have been following this small scale adventure for many years now – offering advice and support through that time.

    It has been, and continues to be, a rather odd project. Jill uses another word – “Dylan’s bonkers Boat Adventure”

    At the very least it allows me to demonstrate my determination to finish something once I have started it.

    I think that with a journey as long as this the nature of it changes along with the coast and the boats needed to take it on. When I started I was a rich bloke with an almost full time job and a boat that cost a months wages. The expenses were irrelevent. The early films of Bembridge were pretty ropey old things.

    Now I can spend more time on the sailing and the editing the films the project is reaching more people. The income goes up and down – nothing at all wrong with that.

    Having been a freelance for three decades I have learned that when you can see financial imbalance ahead then the time to take action is now. I could keep going for a while with the Centaur but not without digging a big hole.

    I think that had I kept going with the slug then the films would soon get to have a fairly monotone feel to them. I would have spent much more time hiding from the weather in scottish harbours that is for sure – whereas with a centaur I can face down almost anything the Lord throws at me.

    I get emails from blokes telling me to do the job properly and buy a wooden boat with a gaff rig. I always send back polite replies thanking them for their suggestion.

    Who knows what I will be sailing in two years time. I still aim to make films and spend some time around the British Coast.

    There are probably another 12 films shot with Katie L on the east coast of Scotland.

    note to self…… must avoid getting bored.

    D

  46. 28 January, 2017 at 4:33 pmIan S says:

    What about doing the bit from Falmouth the Bembridge in KatieL then you will have been all the way round and you can pick off the bits you haven’t explored properly bit by bit as time permits. It’s quite a drive to Falmouth for the first bit but after that it’s gets less each time notwithstanding that Walberswick is very close to the middle of nowhere ( one of its greatest attractions!)
    Ian

  47. 28 January, 2017 at 4:43 pmdylan winter says:

    Excellent suggestion

    close to home then

    now moving to Waldringfield for the permament residence

    D

    D

  48. 28 January, 2017 at 5:19 pmIan says:

    Many interesting comments from your other acolytes Dylan but, for myself, I tend to think of this shift in the project as merely your latest fine demonstration of the sailors art…… trimming your sails to suit the wind. I would expect nothing less from a Master Mariner. Fair Winds

  49. 28 January, 2017 at 7:57 pmDave says:

    Enjoy the Maybush

  50. 28 January, 2017 at 10:03 pmJustin says:

    Have you found your permanent home then. I don’t know that area but it looks interesting.

    Good luck

    Justin

  51. 28 January, 2017 at 10:13 pmdylan winter says:

    waldringfield we hope – on the deben

  52. 28 January, 2017 at 10:44 pmNiall says:

    The cheapest boats to sail are other people’s. How about making videos using the contacts you’ve made on here? Different boat and different MOB each time so lots of variety.I’m sure you’d be welcome to stay on board wherever you go so the only expense would be getting to the location. You might even be able to flog articles to the magazines?

  53. 28 January, 2017 at 10:47 pmPaul Rogers says:

    Here is a radical suggestion Dylan. You could move to Scotland for a couple of years. Think of the travelling you would avoid!
    Or did I understand you have bought another house?

  54. 28 January, 2017 at 11:24 pmdylan winter says:

    Jill says no

  55. 28 January, 2017 at 11:29 pmdylan winter says:

    that is an interesting suggestion – although making films takes ages. For instance if I screw up a shot going past a headland I will often fire up the engine, turn around and have another go or I try to be at the right place to get the sunset just right. I will often get up way before dawn to try to get a decent sunrise Most sensible skippers would not tolerate such behaviour. As for flogging articles to magazines – they now pay £100 a thousand and pictures are free. Writing for magazines is no longer a money spinner I am afraid. There are two ways of getting the project back on a financial even keel. The first is to cut back on the costs and sweat the assets – in other words sell the Centaur. The other is to try to get more than 1.5 per cent of the people who watch the films to chip in. So one way or another I have to reach through youtube and appeal directly to them. If I can get five per cent of youtubist freeloaders to become tappers then I am back in business.

    I also like being in charge of my own boat. Here is a confession – the only reason I make the films is to raise the money so that I can go sailing. If I had enough money to take my shit boat to Stornoway then I would not bother making the films.

  56. 29 January, 2017 at 2:26 amKeith says:

    It’s the change we don’t like I guess. As in many things, routine in our viewing and in our viewing expectations perhaps dictate that we must look at this development as a bit undesirable, for us.

    Ian said it best above, after you of course. But then again it’s not any of us you’re trying to reach.

    I have a friend who is enamored with Scotland – think I’ll send her a link to one of your posted videos and see if she’ll become interested in following along more closely.

    And again, seems to me your collection of works is perhaps the most comprehensive cruising guide to the UK ever made. Has Facebook been an asset in driving viewers to any of your collections?

    Keith

  57. 29 January, 2017 at 5:05 pmdylan winter says:

    this may come as a surprise – I am not much of a pub person. If you go into one, then one thing leads to another ….

  58. 29 January, 2017 at 5:53 pmsteveeaay says:

    Hi,
    Just a few points worth consideration. Ive sinned and watched several videos without tapping. Having said that I HAVE INDEED TRIED TO PAY, not everyone does paypal. what I really enjoy is Dylan and his humour, Really I’m not too bothered in the detail, my fondest memory has to be the wash created from the launch on the Solent. films covering other peoples boats and sailing topics with Dylan sounds a winner. Just think of the topics that could be covered, Dylan I hope you continue to enjoy your sailing.

    Steveeasy

  59. 30 January, 2017 at 12:00 amGlenn Webster says:

    Hi Dylan
    Long time, Spirit is back on the water leaving Tollesbury end of May. What a about a Vivacity 24, best of all situations

  60. 30 January, 2017 at 1:31 amdylan winter says:

    got bring expenditure down – buying another boat is not going to help. Scotland needs a bigger boat

  61. 30 January, 2017 at 10:03 amBreccan Kendall says:

    Have you considered crowdfunding her refit? Or selling KTL merch? I’d buy a t-shirt ;)
    Dinghy cruising is very cheap, and people have gone a long way in drascombes, wayfarers and even old Mirror dinghies (mirror cruising is a favourite YouTube channel) and manage to live on board. I’ve got the Ouse, Rother and Cuckmere in Sussex to run my sailing canoe up this year. You’re welcome to bring the duck punt if you fancy an adventure ;)

    I love your vids and I’ve been watching a couple a day since I discovered them after Christmas. My four year old wants to go sailing with me after sitting on my lap gazing at your Norfolk trips. Katie L is a lovely little boat and I look forward to seeing her exploring the Carrick Roads where I learned to sail, when you get that far!

  62. 30 January, 2017 at 10:23 amdylan winter says:

    An interesting suggestion.

    I just don’t think merchandising will work. Most of us old blokes look pretty terrible in a tea shirt – I have loads but wear them under ordinary shorts to cover the pottery. I just don’t think MOBs would go for it.

    When I was selling DVDs I spent a lot of time on logistics, getting the disks and the cases printed up, buying boxes of jiffy bags, printing labels – and nowdays people expect to click today and see the thing drop through the letter box in the morning. Beating amazon at their own game is almost impossible.

    As for crowd funding…..I guess that is more or less what I have been doing – although as a hack I like to think that people are paying for the quality fo the films rather than my skills with a paint6brush on my own boat. I think that is unlikely to fly.

    Also what happens if after knocking the boat into shape I then run out of money and have to sell it. Do I give the money back to the blokes who chipped in?

    It is very strange – more people than ever are watching more of the films to the end than ever – but the income has dribbled away as the numbers viewing the films has gone up. Google wins.

    At the moment everything I have made over the last decade belongs to google and everything I expect to make over the next decade will also belong to them.

    I hope that I can find a way of getting back on track – right now things look a bit dodgy.

    Selling the Centaur will make me a bit sad – but solvent again.

    This week I am going up to start painting the inside and the decks and removing the bulk of the gubbins in preparation for her moving onto a new owner.

    I have around a dozen films about scotland to post and then the cupboard will be empty.

    That should give me a chance of working out a way of getting a few more of the 98.5 per cent to chip in.

    Maybe one day I will get to the outer hebs – or maybe one of you younger guys will go and make some films about sailing there. They do like like a marvelous place to sail.

    I shall try to find a way but if some-one else is prepared to make films about the place then I will watch with interest and hit the paypal button

    D

  63. 30 January, 2017 at 12:32 pmrichardwvm says:

    Please start a Patreon account, it is working so well for others, I see no reason it wouldn’t work for your “business model”. Not sure if they are still out of budget or what they sail like, but have you seen a Swin Ranger before? Standing headroom motor sailor in a 22 foot package.

    HTH, R.

  64. 30 January, 2017 at 2:38 pmdylan winter says:

    I have asked some of the old blokes on here – and most say they do not like the idea. I think it might be down to the demographic. Most of the MOBs are aged between 50 and 70 and averse to making a committment. That last film with the nagvert in the middle has brought a few more people into the fold – and resurrected some old names who had got out of the habit of chipping in – gawdblessum. I just don’t think it will fly with the old blokes.

  65. 30 January, 2017 at 3:04 pmrichardwvm says:

    Well ultimately it’s up to you, but if you never try you’ll never know ;-) Either way, I’ve stuck another fiver in the kitty.

    Hardy 20 Motor Sailor; another budget boat I can think of with standing headroom.

    R.

  66. 30 January, 2017 at 6:46 pmDave says:

    My brother gets a very nice income of around £600 a month from his youtube stuff. Its just links and ads, on his quirky little vids he makes. No one has to pay anything. The secret is it appeals to all the kids etc when they come home from school. They go on facebook and talk about what they have seen so it get more exposure so his vids are often featured which drive the numbers up even more. I think he gets 10p everytime someone follows one of links. Us MOB’s are never going to do this, I can’t stand facebook and all the dribble you get with it!

  67. 30 January, 2017 at 6:55 pmdylan winter says:

    I also know a bloke who makes cat videos

    dunno if you have been watching KTL recently – cats and kids are a bit thin on the ground.

    I know it is possible to make money from youtube but only with millions of hits and for that you cats or tits

  68. 30 January, 2017 at 7:33 pmsteve says:

    Hello dylan,
    did you ever meet up with the wharram catamaran owner and if so…how did it go ?

    steve

  69. 30 January, 2017 at 7:39 pmdylan winter says:

    martin had dinner here the other night

    we will be sharing a river for the summer

    so there is no rush

    D

  70. 30 January, 2017 at 10:43 pmrobert hickman says:

    You should make a video that you are selling the boat. May catch ‘youtubists’ attention.

    My guess is that people are not donating as they are not used to it. It’s not culturally typical.

  71. 30 January, 2017 at 10:45 pmrobert hickman says:

    Also I’d love to see more of the duck punt.

  72. 30 January, 2017 at 11:05 pmdylan winter says:

    I will do just that

  73. 31 January, 2017 at 5:55 pmDave says:

    Unboxing video’s, there are hundreds.

  74. 1 February, 2017 at 1:59 pmstevec says:

    Hi Dylan – just a quickie on boat suitability for around ireland – would the hurley 22 be better than the minstrel? – cheaper to maintain than a centaur and has good seaworthiness reputation – have you had much experience with them in the past?

  75. 1 February, 2017 at 4:04 pmdylan winter says:

    the Minstrel can go anywhere a hurley can go and further. The Minstrel is my retirement boat and I would rather not make films than sell her. At my age it is standing headroom I need for those long days on the pontoon in scotland while waiting for it to stop raining.

    My problem is a revenue one – just selling the centaur and buying a hurley would just postpone rather than fix the issue

  76. 3 February, 2017 at 1:07 pmMark says:

    Could you do both?

    There might be more than enough blokes willing to contribute to a Patreon account and the benefit or such an account for me is that I don’t have to remember to tap to contribute. Jut something going out every month that I can stick in the accounts as a recurring amount and not have to bother about it again.

    What can I say? I’m a lazy old git!

  77. 3 February, 2017 at 6:27 pmpeter c says:

    D, l have to agree with Dave, Zoran et al. I really miss the irreverent funny bloke with the Slug putzing around the creeks.
    My wife, a sailboat owner herself, loved the Sheltland show, although will leave the early stuff you did to me.
    odd, as she enjoys trips up our creeks and rivers, Hence a pay pay from each of us.
    Roll on Katie L, at 71 this spring l can’t wait to get our shoal draft fleet going, just takes me half the morning to get going myself.
    Get on her asap, my gimpyness kills my sense of humour and ambition some days.
    peter c.

  78. 3 February, 2017 at 6:55 pmdylan winter says:

    you have given me an idea

    I am going to make a nagvert aimed at women whose husbands do not chip in

    there are lots of them. It turns out that my films get shown on the big tellies as family vieweing because there are no girls in bikinis in them – those films are for late at night after wives have retired/

    when the advert appears in the tenth before last film you will be able to tell her that you had the idea – goodonya peter.

    The taps on the last film are about a third of the way to the point where I will start editing the 12th to last film

    maybe that last one was the last one
    D

  79. 12 February, 2017 at 9:38 pmSteve. says:

    Yes plans change, thats boats and life i guess.

    It might just be me but i haven’t enjoyed the films with the centaur anything like as much as the ones with the slug and especially with the minstrel, maybe its the places that you have filmed but i felt there was a real charm to the earlier east coast films. My offer of helping with the electrics still stands btw having just re-wired another boat project.

    http://dirtywetdog.co.uk/

  80. 12 February, 2017 at 10:08 pmdylan winter says:

    the audience for the centaur films seems to be much bigger than the small boat films – I will go back to the Minstrel I promise – but she is just not suitable for the tougher places with a 60 year old man sailing solo.

    She will be a great boat for the solway firth and the welsh rivers

    D

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