A filthy Fisher and a strange Frenchman

After two winters and three summers sailing in Scotland in open cockpit boats I realised that if I am to make the most of a place where it rains 100 inches or more a year then I really need a boat with inside steering.  The smallest, neatest, toughest motorsailer available is the Fisher 25.  It ticks all the boxes – 25 foot, long keel, legs, a transom for my trusty 6hp Tohatsu, small sails and inside steering.

Some of the visitors to this website are kind enough to send me candidate yachts – but a good fisher is £22K. At the moment I have £14K in the kitty so the gap between the boat and the cash is still too big to bridge.

However, among the suggestions came this one.

https://www.leboncoin.fr/nautisme/1622597802.htm/

The link was sent to me by an adenturous French  small boat sailors.

who has been following me for several years.

 

 

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the advert said that engine has 200 hours on it but had been installed in 1990 – which was rather odd

the advert, which  had been up since the beginning of May, only had three images.

 

 

 

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I asked my French friend to contact the seller for me as my French is not up to much and he got no reply. After a couple of weeks I had a go at contacting the seller myself and asked him for more details and some more images

All was quiet then suddenly I got a stream of eight images from the man in the advert via  Boncoin.

and here they are:

 

 

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the images were rather encouraging.

 

finally came the words:

 

Bonjour
This is some pictures from my boat fisher 25 in britanny
Exactly at Audierne
The price is low because the boat need a vert deep cleaning need a New électronics équipements new security équipements
A serious engine overhaul although this engine is only 200 hours but no run since 9 years before it was with no problem
Also you need new battery and anti slip coating and a part of running rig except the sails
I Thing the Word refit is good
The hull is without osmosis but some piece of Wood is rotten and need to be change
Even if this kind of boat is very solid and well built this one is 43 years old and never renovated,giving the whole boat an authentic feeling
Don’t hesitate to contact me if you need any further information at+33699932326
Best regards
Jean philippe

 

I phoned the number in the advert – and JPs English was as bad as my French.

However, between us we communicated that he had owned the boat since 1988, that he had sailed it until 9 years ago when he had bought a fisher 34 and just parked the Fisher 25 in a cheap yard intending to do her up and sell her. The years passed until he decided that she just had to go.

However, like me, he has a 27 year old daughter working in Holland who has excellent English and most of the real communication was then through her. We spoke three times on the phone and everything was going swimmingly.

I asked her to text me her email so that we could communicate – none came. I phoned her again and diligently wrote down her email and sent her one for her to bounce back. No response. However after a couple of calls to JP and Helene everything was agreed. Maybe neither of them are good with email.

I sent JP some messages via Boncoin – here you can see the dates – but old JP was not keen to respond to any of them.

 

should you need to translate them back into English then here is the link to google translate

 

https://translate.google.co.uk/

 

  • 23/06 13:35

    this is Dylan from England here,

    Could we come to see the boat this week?

    I am very interested.

    I could bring a battery to see if we can get the engine to start up

    It would be great to talk

    my website is www.keepturningleft.co.uk

    my email address is on the website

    Dylan

    07712 186250

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  • 23/06 21:10

    JP, c’est bien de parler au téléphone. J’ai échoué à obtenir le numéro de téléphone de votre fille 0668415885.

    Mon email est [email protected]

    Je suis sérieux au sujet de l’achat de votre bateau. Je fais des films sur la voile. Mon plan est de la ramener en Angleterre, puis de l’emmener en Écosse. J’ai 63 ans maintenant et j’ai besoin d’un bateau avec une direction à l’intérieur. L’Écosse est froide et mouillée.

    Je mettrais un support de moteur hors-bord à l’arrière, puis utiliserais mon long-bord comme support.

    Je pense que vous avez dit que vous serez à proximité du bateau le 4 juillet et que O pourrait se rencontrer ce jour-là.

    J’ai écrit ça en anglais et Google Translate l’a changé en français

    Je vous remercie

    Dylan

    c’est un de mes films

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sk8qZEL138

  • 24/06 12:17

    J’ai parlé à Hélène la nuit dernière et c’est une personne charmante. Son accent est parfait. Ma fille a travaillé en Hollande pendant trois ans et n’a jamais appris beaucoup le néerlandais.

    Elle a envoyé un message texte avec votre courrier électronique à notre numéro de téléphone personnel – puis nous avons essayé de l’écouter – et nous n’avons pas réussi à l’écrire correctement.

    Essayons encore. Elle pourra peut-être m’envoyer un email à [email protected] ou à [email protected] Ou elle peut envoyer un texto au portable de Jill qui est 07525 292209

    Nous allons vous rencontrer à Audierne. Nous allons conduire de Calais et apporter nos vélos et une tente.

    Dylan

 

I thought that the price of 8,900 euros was a bit weird – but it would be worth driving down to have a look at the boat. It was 1000km but I had never seen Brittany and ferries are cheap on Tuesdays – no idea why Tuesdays but such is the way of the World.

 

 

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and there was the boat on google earth and street view as well.
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Helene said that another Brittany based sailor wanted to come and see the boat but she guaranteed that the boat would not be sold to another person before I got there. Besides the other sailor had not yet seen the boat. So if I liked her I could close the deal on July 4th for the price as advertised. I assumed this was a way of stopping me from trying to knock them down – how wrong I was.

My plan was to go down and camp for a week, buy the boat, do some work on her. Then drive home for the Tuesday Ferry.

I had pencilled in two weeks in July to take the jalopy full of outboards, cleaning materials, antifoul, tools, life raft etc  and spend two weeks knocking her into shape.  Then I was going to drive home again – on a Tuesday.

Then  finally at the beginning of September in the Passat again with me mate Jon and a car full of sailing stuff plus with a dinghy on the roof. Get the boat put in the water, spend two days on sea trials, sell or dump the car and sail the boat home using the Tohatsu as the main engine.  It is 527 miles by sea from Finnesterre to Waldingfield.

 

 

I should explain about the car….

She is a 19 year old diesel passat with 187,000 miles on the clock. Paul, who is the village mechanic, said that she is unlikely to pass her next MOT so she is due to be scrapped in October anyway so she might as well be scrapped in France as opposed to Suffolk. She looks fine but neither the radio nor the air conditioning work anymore.

 

 

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We loaded her to the gunwhales with camping and cycling related clobber plus a few tools.

 

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Sadly as I checked the fluids the night before departure the dipstick came off in my hand.
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However, the engine is as sweet as a nut and suffers no back pressure, uses no oil,  so I wittled down a whisky cork and shoved it in the hole. Should the oil pressure warning light come on then I could remmove the cork and use the broken dipstick to check the oil. Now do you see why you should never offer me the loan of your boat.
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The costs for the first visit would be around four tanks of Diesel – at £60 a tank

The ferry for £140

Breakdown insurance etc – £80

Camping at 15 euros a night.

So on Tuesday morning we set off on the first leg of a 2,000 mile journey.

 

 

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The following week was to turn out to be a valuable lesson to me about my naivete

The whole experience took a turn for the worse when I met Jean Phillipe, the owner of the Fisher at 12 oclock on July 4th at the Stratimer boatyard in Audierne.

 

 

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Just in case you are worried,  the jalopy behaved perfectly – although with temperatures of 28 degrees C every day we missed the air conditioning.

On the Bright side the campsites were fine, some of them had still not really grasped the whole idea of toilet seats or loo-paper. But the wine was cheap, red and fuity, the Brittany beaches were stunning – perfect sand and cold crystal clear water.

If you wish to learn what happened please read on

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 Responses to “A filthy Fisher and a strange Frenchman”

  1. 12 July, 2019 at 6:16 pmApplescruffs says:

    I’m in !

    This would have probably cost me a beer, ( or two) to hear this story if we were in the pub,

    so I’m actually quids in !

    Not sure I agree with the tactics though …… but needs must ?

    All the best,

    Richard

  2. 13 July, 2019 at 2:42 ambill harty says:

    infuriating. good luck in the hunt. bill

    • 13 July, 2019 at 6:26 amdylan winter says:

      refunded

      it was a long way to drive that is for sure. I have run the encounter through my head again and again and I still do nut understand what was going on.

      It made no sense

      another plan bites the dust

      I have run out of wobbly maiden aunts so the inheritance route has closed to me now

      D

  3. 13 July, 2019 at 1:18 pmSue Johnson says:

    Refunded
    Keep looking at Andy Seedhouse, the was a Fisher 25 we’r saw the other day which superficially looked ok, sold for a price in your budget.

    • 13 July, 2019 at 1:24 pmdylan winter says:

      Refunded

      I need the warm dry pilothouse cabin for scotland in the winter – so a fisher freeward – which is what it was – is no better than a centaur – worse because it falls oveer when the water goes away.

  4. 13 July, 2019 at 6:46 pmSue Johnson says:

    Ah, missed that it was the wrong type.

    • 13 July, 2019 at 6:58 pmdylan winter says:

      the lidless fishers are half the price

      I could buy a brilliant Centaur instead

      but then I would get wet and cold while winter sailing.

  5. 16 July, 2019 at 6:54 pmDavid Jeffery says:

    Would it be worth the effort to price the design, construction, and installation of having a custom a sheltered steering station mated to an otherwise affordable and suitable vessel?

    • 16 July, 2019 at 7:29 pmdylan winter says:

      I have thought of that – and £14K would buy a handsome Centaur – making me one of the few people on this planet to have owned three of the blighters.

      However, I have sailed three summers and two winters in scotland – I doubt that there are many shelters – that look okay – that would survive more than a winter – unless you packed it away every time you left the boat. Fishermen have cabins with doors you can close. It is bloody cold….. and damp….. but when that winter light breaks through – bloody astonishing

      Dylan

  6. 30 July, 2019 at 4:14 pmDavid Jeffery says:

    Not to be a pest persisting in this. What I had in mind is a substantial shelter/ roughly comparable to the Fisher 25 aft setup but fabricated to fit some suitable existing boat. Steering, heat, opening ports, bench, room for instruments, etc. Thiis may be farfetched but perhaps worth pursing during the cold, bitter winter when no sailing is to be had.

    • 31 July, 2019 at 9:56 amdylan winter says:

      You make a good point – I could buy an £8,000 Centaur, knock up a plywood dog house with a door of some sort. It would look ugly and steering would be hard…. unless I converted the centaur to wheel steering. I could also buy a cockpit cover Habitent

      but I am not sure that you can sail with them up and I doubt that it would survive a scottish summer at anchor/mooring let alone a scottish winter.

      I do not think it would be that wonderful sailing down a scottish loch with a six blowing at it.

      I shall keep looking for an unloved Fisher

      Dylan

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