Sailing the Forth 1 of 10 Granton Refit

I tried something new in not using any music in these next nine films – In places it worked well – less so in others. The Firth of Forth under the bridges is a very noisy place – three bridges, a harbour and an airport. But there are gaps in the man-made noise when you can hear some of the real world breaking through the general hum of traffic. The sound mix is as good as I can make it using my 62 year old ears and modest desktop speakers(£50). If you listen on ipad speakers which are the size of grains of rice well it might not be that clear …. or if you have cloth ears then it might be a bit dissatisfying

If, on the other hand you can listen on some earphones then that will help things along immensely. Even better some average desktop speakers –

best hold fire on the paypal until we see if this works.

I will post a film of each day for the coming ten days on this website. I will release them on the youtube site the next time America gets a storm – again releasing one a day.

Dylan

This is about Sailing around Britain.

16 Responses to “Sailing the Forth 1 of 10 Granton Refit”

  1. 21 September, 2018 at 12:40 amRon Gosling says:

    Ambient sound works for me, but I’ve never been a fan of added musical distraction. Might be in the minority though as others could be after their sailing escapism with with a musical filter to cut out all that excessive reality. Will be interesting to find out.

    • 21 September, 2018 at 7:52 amdylan winter says:

      Thanks Ron,

      of course no sailing in this one so hard to judge. It is interesting how sailing videos have changed over the past decde. When I started it was standard definition in 4 x 3 and everything was under 5 minutes long with music smeared all over everything. Now 4K youtube plays on a big telly – seemlessly.
      The remaining films are almost completely shot from the water so there are more natural sounds to play with. The outboard well is pretty noisy – it makes the boat as noisy as a clinker boat. Occasioanlly I take the outboard out and sail without it – but that is just as noisy as you can hear every gurgle past the rudder.

      I like the odd snatch of scottish voices

      D

  2. 21 September, 2018 at 8:25 amStephen Mundane says:

    Another tale well shot and told with your usual thought-provoking dose of social commentary. Love the added reality of ambient sound — good quality on average desktop speakers and my modest TV’s small speakers. Got to love those cycle paths too. I know I did a few years ago on a very leisurely journey from John O’Groats to Land’s End.

    I will tap for the the box-set after viewing all 10. I suppose that I could just as well do it now as I’m expecting nothing less than the usual quality!

    Thanks Dylan.

    • 21 September, 2018 at 8:59 amdylan winter says:

      Hold tight for a bit S

      no rush…. I am not planning to invest in a boat with a lid until the winter comes howling in.

  3. 21 September, 2018 at 12:08 pmHerman says:

    To be honest, I normally get rather annoyed by music interfering with the enjoyment of perfectly good footage – but I have found your films to be the exception that confirms that rule. Nevertheless, I really prefer the sound that comes with the view, so I’m looking forward to the rest of this series.

    Cheers,

    Herman

    • 21 September, 2018 at 12:12 pmdylan winter says:

      I confess that smearing music over everything makes editing easier and allows me to compress journeys..it offers a sense of rythmn and progress.

      There were times when I regretted trying this. Later on in the run you will see footage shot under the bridges – so I had to move sound around a bit to avoid the aeroplanes and the relentless clanking of trucks over expansion joints on a steel bridge. The trains make an incredible sound.

      I have also dumped the little illustrated historical tales. I still cover a tiny bit of history and a bit of geology but not using any images culled from the web. But to sail in a place with no understanding of its human and physical history is an empty experience for me. I want to understand a landscape if I can.

      Hearing the sound of a landscape is also impoortant.

      which is why I usually kill the outboard before turning the camera on – but not always possible – especially coming in and out of harbour.

      Audio is a very subjective thing – our ears are different, our brain filters audio in a variety of ways and of course we are all listening on different speakers.

  4. 21 September, 2018 at 3:18 pmkevin says:

    I liked this and tapped in for the series. The non-sailing is fine as you have done an interesting job of documenting some boat work and the place. All of which I find as interesting as coasting up a muddy estuary. I like the noises of the boatyard and so the music was not missed. Maybe save that for those glimmering marsh shots?

    Good to see you carrying on.

    –Kevin

    • 21 September, 2018 at 3:21 pmdylan winter says:

      thanks K,

      I will probably stick with the no music policy for the next two Firths and see how it beds in. As an inlander I had forgotten how bloomin noisy seagulls are.

  5. 21 September, 2018 at 7:02 pmEd Bourgoine says:

    Well done Dylan, glad to see some new material showing up! Will join some others in tapping in for the series, I must say that personally I’m not bothered by the lack of music, the actual background sounds lend something to the ambience of the video. Keep up the good work – by the way is that the electric bike that you were riding about?

  6. 21 September, 2018 at 8:39 pmApplejack Jim says:

    I thought I would miss the music….but didn’t! Sound levels and background noise levels all good on my PC speakers. I am looking forwards to the rest of the set.

  7. 21 September, 2018 at 10:21 pmPeter T says:

    Ahhhh. April 2015. Well done Dylan, I am delighted to see the East Coast of Scotland season has surfaced. I have been looking forward to this. I have always enjoyed your choice of music and the ‘historical’ bits but it’s the sailing and the locations which really count. Thanks for putting it all together for your faithful MOBs to relish.

  8. 26 September, 2018 at 2:11 pmMick says:

    Sounds very good to me. I do like to hear just the ambient sounds, although I realise it’s not always practical. Over-intrusive music in films/videos is one of my bugbears. When it’s done well and in moderation it can add to the atmosphere, but the trouble is that most musical accompaniment isn’t done well, it’s just shovelled over everything indiscriminately.

  9. 28 September, 2018 at 12:09 pmApplescruffs says:

    Quite poingent, looking at the Forth Corinthian Club with no security of tenure reminds me a club I am a member of, both have sought after locations pay a peppercorn rent and could be swept away by unsympathetic building in a moment.

    I’ve looked on the web and I’m glad to say that the Forth Corinthians are still going strong, but with membership for around £75 a year I’ve no clue how they can afford to keep on dredging the harbour on a regular basis…long may they continue and all the other small clubs that still provide ‘ affordable sailing for all’.

    Good to see KTL back…..

    Cheers

    Richard

  10. 28 September, 2018 at 11:14 pmTim says:

    I must be One of The Few.

    I do enjoy your choices of soundscape (even emailed to ask the name of the artist!).
    It’s not backing music or muzak (the stuff you hear in supermarkets, lifts, etc).
    But music that sets and complements the scene.
    The combination of good scenic footage, soundscape, your commentary and background information to me make KTL what it is.
    I have on more than one occasion forwarded a clip to non-sailing friends or posted on social media just so others can enjoy your productions.
    That said.
    Sometimes the subject matter doesn’t warrant any music and this clip is an example.

    Glad you touched upon the problems many sailing (and canoe) clubs are facing from developers (and councils) wanting to build water-side housing developments.
    Sadly I think many clubs will disappear because of this pressure.

    • 11 October, 2018 at 11:11 pmWarren says:

      Tim I’m inclined to agree with you, I have no problem with well chosen complementary music. ( not the same 10 you tube free tunes).
      They solved the problem on the us east coast of housing by the sea….. they took over what the English call saltings or salt marshes. Then Build canals all thru them and plonk houses check by jowel! Everyone gets a dock and a house that could flood in a hurricane. But it works if rather destructive to the coastline.
      The Historical bits will be missed, they are the content that allow me to watch on the big Telly with my better half!
      But all good.
      Cheers Warren

  11. 12 October, 2018 at 12:35 pmAndy Buchan says:

    Well done Dylan , whot a very pleasant surprise to see you back on the boat. I do feel for the old Corinthian club sailing is definitely an old mans sport and being involved in the running of a sailing club it is quite frustrating trying to attract new members whilst wondering how long the old ones will last . We need more video production such as yours to inspire the future yacht folk . On that note im looking at a 100 year old dinghy this weekend to do up for some serious Creek crawling inspired by you.
    Cheers Dylan.

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