The future for the KTL films now the boat has been sold

 

 

I am now resigned to the fact that sailing in Scotland in 2017 has gone down the toilet with the sale of my last ever Centaur.

It was the first time in a life time of boat owning that I have sold a boat I really wanted to keep. The plan was to use it for the outer Hebrides, St Kilda, Colonsay, Islay, Jura and around the outside of Ireland.I knew I needed a boat with a completely reliable engine – Lily M was the boat for that job.

Last year I sailed through the winter at Mylor and then took the boat with two friends to Skye where I based myself in Plockton and ranged around the North West for the summer. and most of the winter. It was a pricey year afloat.

Last year the taps brought in £5K – I spent £6.6 K on diesel for boat and car, car servicing and moorings and pontoons. I spent three months on a mooring to save money.

Actually lads that was bloody dangerous – being on a mooring where no-one was about and arriving and departing at stupid hours either before or after a 14 hour drive was pretty damn dangerous. I had two near misses when no-one would be about to save me. I had a life jacket on but one was bloody frightening. Old sailors die in dinghies not at sea.

this was the dinghy laden

and this was the mooring during one of the frequent storms.

bloody dangerous. KTL  is great – but not worth dying for

Scotland is both the roughest and  coldest place to sail in Britain and also the most beautiful.  You and the boat need to be well prepared and in good condition if you are to get the best out of these amazing year round sailing grounds.

Those winter skies are just unbelievable. The half winter I had up there was glorious.

 

I am desperate to get back to scotland while I am still fit and can hold a camera steady- who knows what will happen to my health.

So far so good and no worries. I pass my tests – but you start to count the years. The fit years.

I am hoping to film these beautiful wild places while I am still fit and not a danger to myself or those around me.

You guys know I love to sail in new places – that is what does it for me. I sailed on an inland lake for a few years – drove me bloody bonkers. Sailing Katie L up and down the deben will be fine but I will be bored to death by mid may.

I have enough material in the can for 10 more films  about the journey down the West Coast of Scotland. They will be a fairly cohesive narrative down the left  hand side of this wonderfully crinkly country. In my terms nothing more than a snapshot of a place – hardly any islands for starters.

I have missed much much more than I ever saw.

I want to go back, I want to make those films, I want to ride those tides, I want to film those beaches.I want to tell you blokes what it is like.

To do a good job of telling you what it is like to go out sailing there in every month of the year but I cannot make films on thin air and the good will of freeloaders who have devoted many, many hours of their precious time to watching and enjoying the films – but without, as yet,  chipping in.

My films are the best shot, most thoughtful, informative, witty sailing films anywhere on the web. If KTL falls by the wayside the only well produced sailing series will be the bikini shows featuring pulchitudinous  girls sailing expensive multi bathroomed plastic yachts around hot places  waving their delectable tushes in the general direction of their semi-tumescent go pro wielding boyfriends

To watch the bikini babes is just too embarrasing for words when wives are in the room. My films are suitable for family viewing.

We pay for other digital things – box sets,  netflix, maybe even for cable or skye – itunes or spotify.  You pay for the entertainment not for the costs involved in the top gear blokes smashing up perfectly good cars or for the furs worn in game of thrones series 4.

Please gentlemen, I beg of you,  not to pay me money because you think it will help some jowly old Englishman to take a future boat to a future place – or for the modest achievement of an old bloke sailing a well found boat in a tough place .

 

As you watch what may well be the last ever films from KTL make the decision  how much to pay on a film by film basis purely for the entertainment value to you and an intelligent thoughtful sailor

Forget the costs involved of making the films.  They are of as little importance as the price of Sir Micks bus ticket to a Rolling Stones concert at the Albert hall or the value of the paint applied by Picasso to a piece of canvas. The value to the viewer is what counts.

If you watched a film and then thought about it the next morning then maybe tap me some cash in appreciation for the fun you had watching it.

If, on the other hand,  you thought it was an utter waste of time and “why the heck did I sit through that drivel”  then pay nothing.

Send me an email saying why it was a worthless piece of crud.

 

if however,  it filled half an hour for you and you now feel more relaxed about more important things such as what the heck  were the Americans thinking when they elected Donald Trump, then that might be worth a couple of bucks and comment via paypal.

If,  on the other hand,  it was bloody brilliant – well  tap me a bit more. – not for the future boat but for the experience you have just shared with me via the lens of my camera on my boat . If you went for a sail with a friend for a day you would not turn up empty handed – you would bring some beer, or a mars bar each.

Since I sold the Centaur the taps have suddenly gone up to a level where if they hold through the next ten films I can re-boot with a Fisher 25 next year. I know it is blocky little shit of a motorsailer but it will keep me warm, dry and safe while sailing in a cold, wet and rough place.

At first I could not make out why the taps had picked up. Whenever anyone sends me money I always send a hand crafted email in return.

One bloke from the States, a builkder of wooden boats by trade sent me $200. I sent an email back asking why.

This is what he said.

“Over the years I have been downloading all your films and I watch them in the morning with my coffee because the news is so horrible. I was mortified when I discovered that you had sold your boat. I thought you would be there forever. I assumed that you did not need any money.

I think that I had rationalised not tapping you anything because, in my head, you were some sort of eccentric English millionaire philanthropist genius amateur film maker who thought that sailing a crap boat to interesting places was cooler than sailing a good one. I realise this was a way of me justifying not giving any money to a friend I had been sailing with for many miles  and over  several years.  When  I heard you had sold the boat I realised that it was partly my fault so I sent the money for the eight DVD sets sitting on my hard drive.”

So the past three films were on target for 2K each

If the last ten films (as yet unmade) can also hit £2K each then I can buy a boat and start making sailing films again.

If they don’t hit target then it will be just you and the bikini girls.

Thanks Gents

Onwards and Upwards

 

This is about Sailing around Britain.

105 Responses to “The future for the KTL films now the boat has been sold”

  1. 27 February, 2017 at 5:28 pmdylan winter says:

    I will come back to the smaller yacht.

    I promise.

    She is about to be brought back up to spec.

    D

    • 24 May, 2017 at 12:55 pmMara McSweeny says:

      Hello Dylan – I’m hoping you can get in touch with me, as I am with a television production that is hoping to license some footage of murmurations. I found some glorious content on youtube which I believe you shot – can you send me an email to get in touch? I’m located in Toronto, Canada – and the project is an HBO remake of Fahrenheit 451. Looking forward to hearing from you. And I’m from a sailing family, so instead of ‘cheers’, I’ll end with Fair winds and following seas and long may your big jib draw…… Mara

  2. 27 February, 2017 at 6:45 pmNiall says:

    It’s more so we don’t loose the old blogs – rather than remove from YouTube, shift ’em to KTL2. Also a good home for wee snippets of film that maybe don’t make it to a proper episode….You had some great mini clips of drifting up the forth (or maybe it was the earn).

  3. 28 February, 2017 at 10:14 amLucas Sluimer says:

    I enjoyed every piece of film. Hope to see more and hope you will finish your voyage around Britain.

  4. 28 February, 2017 at 10:12 pmGavan Black says:

    Dylan, I’m surprised that a TV network hasn’t asked to condense some of your films into a series by now. If they think we’ll watch some old bird poke around in some dusty ruins for 6 or 8 weeks, why not some old bloke poking around in the hidden tourist spots of Great Britain. You’re every bit as entertaining as Griff Reese Jones Thanks to you, seeing the Three Rivers Race is on my bucket list. How’s that for a sales pitch?

    • 28 February, 2017 at 11:04 pmdylan winter says:

      thanks G,

      I am not sure I am quite their cup of tea – too old, too ugly, too fat, too difficult to control

      the tv companies would turn KTL into some invented race against time – will he get to lowestoft before the banana goes black – and then they would make me dress up as a pirat.

      I like it the way that it is – although they could have the rushes if they wanted.

      The journey and the feedback from you blokes has been great –

      as for the three rivers race …. quick, quick, but an old wayfarer and you could enter this year’s event.

      they would kick your back en but what a great wheeze

      D

  5. 1 March, 2017 at 3:19 amGillian Hollis says:

    Dylan

    I discovered your content only recently and am loving it – both the old and the more recent stuff… I am NOT a sailor, and.. not a bloke (incase my name didn’t twig you on that) – you do seem to assume a male viewership, which is probably the case in the majority, but you over-emphasize it a little which has sort of discouraged me from contributing until now – I’ve had a lovely day plugging against the tides with you today with some of your earlier stuff to catch up and will send a few quid your way – you totally deserve it for the super content.

    I do hope you get sufficient funds to continue – but if that doesn’t happen I owe you for the stuff you already have out there.

    G

    • 1 March, 2017 at 7:16 amdylan winter says:

      G

      what a marvelous person you are. Sorry about the stereo-typing. That is sommething I shall address as the films move away from the fettling to the travelling. At the moment youtube tells me that 97 per cent of the people who watch the films re men – dunnno how it does that or even if that is still true.

      There are lots of erlier films for you to sample. I hope you are amanging too get the films oonto a decently sized screen.

      I am optimistioc that things will get under way by the autumn. I have even, very cautiously, started looking for a suitable boat. However, my daughter, has told me to focus on the last 12 films and making them as good as I can. Scotland is such an amazing place to sail that it deserves a decent job.

      I take it that you are a sailor so some sort – you certainly live in a wonderful place with warm clear water.

      Thanks G

      D

      • 1 March, 2017 at 1:08 pmGillian Hollis says:

        D

        97 percent male is probably close to the mark, happy to represent the remaining 3% ;-)

        I am definitely looking forward to the West Coast footage – although I live somewhere warm it’s true you miss what you don’t have, the scenery in Bermuda is ‘chocolate box’ pretty…as I’m from Scotland I miss the mountains and even a decent hill.

        I have done a little sailing but wouldn’t call myself a sailor – there are plans to do more and I find your bits about tides etc.. fascinating – no real tide where I live.

        All the best for the future, fingers crossed enough contribute a wee bit to the kitty.

        G

    • 26 April, 2017 at 11:48 pmPeter says:

      Hi Dylan,
      I’m amazed at some of the single handed older ladies that sail around the Southampton and Portsmouth waters, so less of the “you lads”, if you please.
      Love your your videos – and yes, I have donated some spondulies.
      Keep on sailing.
      Peter

      • 27 April, 2017 at 7:56 amdylan winter says:

        I have yet to see any single handed women sailors at first hand

        I have heard that they exist and have seen them in the magazines and on the telly but have never seen one in the flesh around the pontoons, on a mooring or actually sailing

        I have been sailing for five decades now

        youtube tells me that 97 per cent of the people who watch the films are blokes

        what can I say other than Gillian is an exceptional woman

        D

  6. 1 March, 2017 at 1:13 pmPete March says:

    Hi Dylan,
    having only recently found you, soaked up hours of your videos, taken up your time and listened to your VERY sound advice, I am now looking forward to my first season back on the water after far too long.
    I bought a Skipper 17 Mk 2. She’s in pretty good nick, just a few bits of rigging to sort and fit her out inside for proper cruising.
    I so hope that we get to see the West Coast this year before I get up there next year and I really hope that you get to cover Skye which is also on my bucket list.
    Having just found you, I don’t want to loose you as it will feel like a tragic Man Overboard. I so hope you get to complete your dream and keep us old blokes inspired.

    • 1 March, 2017 at 1:28 pmdylan winter says:

      Thanks Pete, it was a close run thing but if I can persuade a tiny percentage of regular viewers to chip in a few dollars per film then I will be back in scotland this time next year. I am hopeful. D

  7. 1 March, 2017 at 8:30 pmNeil Fletcher says:

    Dylan: I only recently found you but I think your films are wonderful. I’m a pretty avid consumer of YouTube sailing videos and it’s amazing how much cash some of them get via the Patreon website. You may have considered adding that to your site. I’m going to share your site with a few sailing pals who hopefully will add something to your coffers. Please keep sailing.

    Neil
    Southern California (Islander 26, designed by William Crealock)
    and Sweden (Allied Seabreeze 36. http://www.sailingarcturus.com)

    • 1 March, 2017 at 9:14 pmdylan winter says:

      Patreon really only works if you churn out a film a week, I can only make eight a year. This way seems nicer all round because not all films are equal. I want people to watch a film – even an old one – and pay me for the pleasure it gave them. I hope that makes sense.

      besides – tits have always been better generators of instant hits than intelligence

    • 2 March, 2017 at 8:39 amTed Timberlake says:

      Neil, Thank you for the great views of sailing in Sweden. Lovely location but sadly a short season. Interesting details of laying up for the winter. Hopefully you will be taking in the Aland Islands and then maybe along the southern coast of Finland. Good luck.

  8. 2 March, 2017 at 6:51 pmRob says:

    Hi Dylan

    Ever though of writing a book about your travels . .? My wife and I are really enjoying your book about walking along offa’s dyke. You have an easy , entertaining writing style that really captures the atmosphere of what you were doing. I have a feeling that my wife’s’ s book group may even choose it as a book of the month.

    I would certainly buy a couple of copies of you ever got round to it. There are lots of books about sailing around the Uk but most are quite dull and uneventful

    Thanks. Rob

    • 2 March, 2017 at 6:55 pmdylan winter says:

      Thanks for liking the book

      those two books sold 10,000 copies each.

      I wrote each one in three months – 100 days … 100,000 words. It is just not cost effective in todays market of digital downloads. A more sellable subject would be the digital journey and the story of a decade of dancing with google algorithms.

      now that is what I call entertaining and drama packed

      d

  9. 4 March, 2017 at 3:58 pmBrian says:

    Hi Dylan
    I found your site whilst going through divorce and unemployment, all is good now. I very much enjoyed your clips and I will continue my support. I’m not yet an old bloke but I’m closing in on it.
    I haven’t been able to make your subscription work yet but I will.
    Keep on keeping on,

  10. 5 March, 2017 at 3:06 amdavid almeida says:

    Hello i love you films have you thought aboy making a 1 hour film and selling it on ktl website as a download with just a trailer on youtube to direct people to your site then if people want to see it they would have to pay even if it is just 1 pound
    i am now going to tap your button for a few wuid

    • 5 March, 2017 at 3:10 amdavid almeida says:

      giving you money felt oddly very good i urge others to do so to

    • 5 March, 2017 at 6:40 amdylan winter says:

      I tried with the films behind a pay wall for a while – then as the number of sailing films onnthe web grew that fell by the wayside. people soon lern that the only new KTL films are just trailers and go back to clicking on the tits which are free at the point of delivery.

      Then came DVdDs – they did okay in the run up to christmas – lots of old blokes who could not think of anything better for christmas got their wives to buy them. Then they died.

      Now it is the buskers cup.

      Will that work?

      Dunno. It did not work at all last year when I had a boat for Scotland.

      This year, when I don’t have a boat, then it is sort of working. But then I think it came as a bit of a shock when sailing long term KTL viewers but non tappers realised that as a keen sailor I was so strapped that I sold the boat I clearly wanted to keep and which they had been rather looking forward to sailing (virtually) around the Outer Hebrides.

      Most sailors take the idea of a keen sailor selling his boat as a sign of real financial problems. Until then I think many just thought I was greedy asking for support when I clearly had a boat – maybe the shittet in the anchorage …but still I had a safe boat and the money to run it.

      But getting people to tap for the pleasure of watching the films now rather than some future boat and some guaranteed future supply of films will be a challenge. Eleanor says it is unlikely to work and that it is astonishing thay it has worked as well as it has. So far I guess it shows that sailors are not as other see them.

      There are days when I am full of hope – but there are days when I realise that all I can do is to give the last 11 films my best shot and see what happens.

      It has been ten years since I started so it would be surprising if the same model had lasted for all that time given the way the web is shifting econmies at the sped of light.

      By employing the buskers cup I am now in the last chance saloon – after that the only thing left is the bikini, the tits, the go pro and the £200,000 foredeck while emoting at dolphins – and I am sure there are not many who would wish to witness such a thing

      D

  11. 5 March, 2017 at 4:16 pmAndrew Short says:

    Hi Dylan, Sorry you are struggling a little at the moment. I have visited the West Coast often, doing work for the Navy. In my opinion it is very dangerous in the winter. I remarked as such to the DCA. We often worked at Applecross or the inner sound, where we could see storm squalls falling over Skye and Rassay, knowing that in 15 to 20 minutes the foul weather would reach Applecross. I have been aboard a Fleet Tender which has taken solid water over the wheelhouse. I can’t imagine being at sea in a small sailing boat in those conditions, it would be near suicidal. ‘Old sailors and bold sailors’ methinks.

    • 5 March, 2017 at 5:12 pmdylan winter says:

      I have been sailing up there for three summers and two winters now

      I will be fine

      I am old already so I have beaten one of your maxims

      and I also think I am fairly bold compared to other blokes my age

      I love a bit of adrenalin

      I am more worried about dinghies than I am about squalls

      althgough you are dead right – scotland is a serious place to sail winter or summer

      as you will see in the next film when I cocked up pentland firth

      D

  12. 7 March, 2017 at 12:29 amdennis says:

    keep at it, i don’t normally donate. but i want to keep your dream alive.

    Best

    • 7 March, 2017 at 12:19 pmdylan winter says:

      Thanks Dennis, very good of you.

      THE BOSS would say that, given there is no guarantee that I will ever buy a fisher and return to scotland that you should try not to think of it as a donation but more as a reward for the joy the films have brought to your TV screen.

      Some have started tappiing on the old films on the basis that an hour in front of the telly with KTL is an hour less netlix

      having said that of course – now that I have no overheads every penny goes into a fisher account rather than be squandered on sailing

      written that way it sounds like a bad thing because I would rather be sailing than saving. It runs against the whole ethos of KTL

      Dylan

  13. 8 March, 2017 at 6:54 amJames says:

    Something confuses me.

    When you set off on your adventure it was because it was something you wanted to do?

    Fair enough – along the way you have produced some great content which has allowed you to subsidise your costs.

    If you raised £5k last year and your costs were £6.6k – that means you paid £1.6k yourself = 25% of the costs. So you have a 75% subsidy. Given that you’re actually getting to do what you want (the sailing) – that doesn’t seem too bad to me.given the costs that other people have to run their own boats or go on a sailing holiday.

    Or have I missed the point?

  14. 8 March, 2017 at 1:57 pmpeter c says:

    Interesting point James, Eleanor has a different perspective. Her business model of earning funds from content is valid but does not include the intangible of Dads dream. That might reqire funding in part from the Bank of Dad, which after all helped fund the kids dreams.
    D, really miss the blogs, would have happliy tapped for a few, i.e. meadway pollution, MD1 fun in Wells etc.
    Pulling those was a shame for many of us, again all a matter of perspective. Pity, .as we say over on this side of the pond.

    • 8 March, 2017 at 2:33 pmdylan winter says:

      Thanks Peter,

      I agree.

      the dream of an old bloke sailing around the UK is not important in the scale of things – and I have closed the loop when I sailed up the Irish Sea last spring. So the achievement, the dream element if you like has little meaning – just one more old bloke in a small boat sailing around this amazing island. Each year around 40 old blokes do it.

      But this one takes thousands of people with him via his video camera and his voice. . Some of the films are quite ropey – some are not that bad, a few are pretty good.

      So it is the films that count. While the taps were going towards the costs of running the boat with my speciously hypothecated paypal buttons the income went down to an unsustainable level. The project went bust and the boat ended up being sold.

      Now I am still making films but not spending any money on sailing. The taps are for the entertainment value of the films – so we are sort of back to DVD days.

      I am assuming that few people bought a four hour DVD for £15 because they thought they would never watch it and the purchase was just to support the venture.

      I am assuming that most people who are now tapping on the films are tapping in appreciation – for the enjoyment. Like the old DVD days.

      The money cannot be for a boat because I don’t have one and I might never buy one suitable for scotland. It is a big investment _ feck a decent fisher is the thick end of £25K – I am doubtful that I can raise that sort of money when films have no value – other than a chance to wave the buskers cup.

      I hear what you say about the blogs – but people don’t tap on blogs.

      But some do tap on films. An increasing number are tapping on the recent films of Shetland. A new style and a new audience. How many get the tapping habit remains to be seen.

      Incidentally, the films you are missing have been re-posted to youtube in the right order and in the way that google has asked me to do it.

      here they all are

      https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-leOGnyCr2Qj292ad1nDWBLRLSPcKs33

      • 8 March, 2017 at 4:01 pmClive says:

        I think James has a perfectly reasonable point and I also think that it’s all very well saying we must only tap for the entertainment, of course we should, the alternative would be we’re tapping to fund your sailing which I guess wouldn’t be particularly attractive to many of us, I’m reminded of the chap who responded “good luck with that” when you first announced the need to buy a Fisher 25 and how you hoped it was to be funded, as initially I felt much the same. However the reality is for me when tapping I do actually have the sense that I’m making a contribution to the project as a whole with all the other MOB’s and not just the next film and I suspect I will not be in a minority on that.

        My point is that I’m not sure separating the various funding requirements is beneficial to KTL’s income stream, particularly when one continues to hear your suggestion to download while you can which personally I find somewhat off-putting. It seems to me that the more you focus on the value of the entertainment provided and it’s potentially limited lifespan, the closer to having to quantify that valuation one gets, for example if I had a mind to I could say that I can get all Sky’s sport and cinema output in multiple rooms in HD for say £3 per day, whereas I might tap a tenner for each of your 45 minute films, once a month?

        Of course for me and I expect all of us tappers the comparison is bizzarre as it doesn’t take into account (my sense of) the communal nature of the project but I do think it may be worthwhile to review how and why different people enagage with KTL, I do not think it is just to hire a film.

        Good luck as always

        • 8 March, 2017 at 5:28 pmdylan winter says:

          thanks Clive,

          I think that you should not really think that by tapping on the last 11 films you are contributing towards the costs of buying a suitable boat to take to the outer hebrides and the cash to keep it there for two seasons and one winter.

          That is a £30K hump and I am not sure even I believe that the last 11 films can do that amount of heavy lifting. I hope they can.

          That would be amazing.

          However, the only way I can do that is to widen the demographic and the last few Orkney and Shetland films seem to have hit the spot with a different sort of sailor. You can see by their boats that there are more 50 footers than polytarp sails.

          You make a good point about sky – but another sailor mentioned Netflix for which he pays $8 a month. He reckons he watches about 4 hours a month of netflix – so if he watches an hour of KTL in that month then to him that is worth $2 an hour or so. Actually he watches more so he sends me more. So the issue is not how much you can get for your £3 the issue is how much do you watch for your £3

          I don’t think those netflix blokes want anything more than the films – I am sure none of them would read 40 posts into a comments section.

          As for hoarding the films – nothing is forever on the web. I had them hosted at Blip – they just dissapeared in the click of a mouse when their servers were cleared down when they went into receivership. . The same could happen to vimeo or youtube. Imagine you tube coming under financial pressure – whose videos are they going to take down to clear space – mine or La Vag.

          Streaming is great – but that depends on some-one hosting the stream – for that there has to be enough profit in it for them – not for me.

          So, if you like the films enough then download them. Will youtube be here in ten years time? Will Vimeo?

          I do hope that I can get back to scotland in the right boat. The films are my best shot at getting there.

          all I can say is that as a business model it really sucks

          Dylan

  15. 8 March, 2017 at 6:07 pmhenrik scheel says:

    Interesting discussion on the right model to fund this project. There are different models. The recurring payment model is far the most used by networks and streaming services whereas the pay per view model is not used as much anymore. The model on KTL is the pay per view model. Since the content is not behind any payment wall anyway, it is up to the good will of the customer to pay or not. In that respect there is no right or wrong motivation to pay, just as long as you pay.

    I think you could be succesful in setting this up as a crowd funding venture, with a recurring monthly fee like Patreon, or by donation on a crowd funding portal like https://www.startnext.com/. A German, Guido Dwersteg, have collected +6.000 Euros to circumvent Scandinavia by Bavaria 32 in a few weeks.

    • 8 March, 2017 at 8:18 pmdylan winter says:

      Thanks H,

      I agree, if people want to pay for whatever reason that is great and those payments will end up in the project one way or another – wether to finish the last 11 films or to re-boot with a more suitable boat. I think that crowd funding is targetted on a single achievement – the bloke sailing around sweden is a classic target orientated fund.

      KTL is a flow of films – a flow of films that around 12,000 people want to watch. That is all it is.

      So far this plan is working – the other plans worked for a while and then stopped working. I have no idea how long this one will work for

      it has the advantage that at the moment I have no overheads – no costs. So the budget is in positive cash. Of course I am not sailing – just editing. So that is not good.

      I dunno chaps – I am as confused as the next man

      D

  16. 8 March, 2017 at 9:30 pmPaul Mullings says:

    Dear Confused, I am the next man and you’re correct!

  17. 9 March, 2017 at 3:42 pmDavid says:

    Is it a Fisher 25 or nothing Dylan? Lots of Colvic Watson’s out there and cheaper than the Fisher.

    • 9 March, 2017 at 4:18 pmdylan winter says:

      easy to buy easy to sell

      popular boats – aspirational

      same as a centaur

      I also know that I can make a Fisher look cute on camera – colvic watsons are much harder to film

      Dylan

  18. 10 March, 2017 at 4:04 pmNiall says:

    Nice southerly 28 on eBay at the mo…

  19. 12 March, 2017 at 6:36 pmAlan says:

    Apologies if I am repeating myself, somewhere else on this blog, but I thought I had pointed you in the direct of some Fishers – comments about rich old men etc??
    Here’s one of the original Freewards, which certainly sail well and are bombproof with a one inch layup (so light they are not). Note the new engine too! 40HP!!! The Coryvechan will hold no fears And for less than £20k which is what has been spent.
    .
    http://www.fisherowners.org/classifieds-ads/item/fisher-freeward-25-sagina.html

    There more on the classified including one for £5995 which need works (probably needs a rich old bloke)
    Alan

    • 12 March, 2017 at 7:03 pmdylan winter says:

      109.155.56.122In reply to Alan.

      The Freewards are probably no better than a Centaur for what I need. Centaurs are excellent sea boats and I think could handle anything almost anything that a Freeward would handle.

      The Centaur accommodation is second to none. They can take a lot of terrible weather – especially under engine when that prop is running is completely clear water between the keels. They turn on a sixpence.

      the advantages of a Freeward are marginal in my opinion because with a freeward you are still out in the scottish rain when under way. Ultimately, as an old bloke the rain and the cold are my enemies. I know that if I am inside I can sail longer and further.

      I also think that with enough sails up – say a well cut ghoster you could get her moving . I am sure I would find myself messing with staysails and spinnakers just for fun.

      So, an honest answer – your top speed through the water under sail – beam reach lots of wind – flat water.

  20. 12 March, 2017 at 8:02 pmTyro Sailor says:

    I’ve just been reading through this thread with interest, having already watched a lot of the films (just on my lapdog) but not yet contributed. How do I do this (I’m a bit of a tyro at e-commerce too!)?

    I was sorry to read that you’d sold your boat. A big step, and a diffucult one, in moire ways than one I should think. Two years ago (almost to the day) I bought a Centaur, hoping it would be ready to sail. It wasn’t. Two years, a new engine and several thousand pounds later, I’m hoping to get the mast up this week and then go sailing.

    If you’re missing it, Dylan, as one old buffer to another, I’d be happy to have you as crew so at least you can get on the water. Only Solent-pottering to start with, but I have a slight ambition to sail round Britain too. Get in touch through the WOA website – same name. :-)

    • 12 March, 2017 at 8:09 pmdylan winter says:

      thanks for that. it was the first time I have sold a boat I really wanted to keep.

      However, so be it. Water under the bridge. Thanks for the offer of the sail. I am a terrible person as a crew. I want to be in charge and given the helm I sail too close to the edge. There is a paypal page here http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/mob-funding/

    • 12 March, 2017 at 8:20 pmTyro Sailor says:

      Sailing close to the edge is good, provided it’s the edge of the wind you’re close to, not the rocks!

      We could try for a day if you like and then pack it in if we hate each other by the end of it!

  21. 12 March, 2017 at 8:23 pmTyro Sailor says:

    Grrr. Can’t get into Paypal atm cos I can’t remember the password and my diary is in the car which is in a locked garage 100 yards away….

  22. 15 March, 2017 at 7:49 amDavid Tyler says:

    Morning Dylan.
    I am determined to find you a “suitable” boat.
    What about this one? It’s even in the right country!
    http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Sailboats/fisher-boats-fisher-25-freeward/165969
    Just an a diesel stove and you are sorted!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuLvL_tXR9w
    David

    • 15 March, 2017 at 8:11 amdylan winter says:

      the freeward looks great – but….. no inside steering.

      For sotland…. that is what I need. So a freeward does not offer anything the centaur does not. The centaurs are fantastic sea boats – under power or sail. Under power that prop is running in clean water – so it works wonderfully. They can turn on a sixpence in a marina. The accommodation is second to none for a small boat. There is nothing that can touch it. They are cheaper than a Freeward.

      It is the inside steering and a hot air heater that I need.

      • 15 March, 2017 at 2:38 pmAquaplane says:

        I bet you don’t drive from inside, even when you can. A Centaur with a good spray hood and an autopilot with remote so you can keep watch from the shelter of the companionway would work. Add a warm air heater and Robert is your dad’s brother. I had just that setup, except the remote for the tiller pilot last year. But I sail in the “summer” if you can call it that in Scotland.

        • 15 March, 2017 at 3:03 pmdylan winter says:

          I would expect to fit a tiller extension and sit along the lee or windward rail where you can see the sails – on the lee side you can see the slot pretty well. There have been lots of days in scotland when it was fit for sailing but too wet to be out in it. I am hoping, maybe naively, that I can sail from inside when the wind come along accompanied by driving rain. Sailing a centaur from inside out of the rain is possible but a challenge.

          I spent many hours this summer standing under the companionway hatch while the plastic clad tiller pilot was in charge of the course and the engine in charge of the propulsion.

          A motorsailer is unknown territory to me.

  23. 17 March, 2017 at 11:28 pmKeith Walker says:

    Mr Winter, I friend came around my house the other day and pointed me in the direction of your videos. I have to say I was very impressed and have made a donation.
    Short notice indeed, but starting next week (20/3/17) i am leaving Rhu (just norht of Kip) to visit and cruise the western Iles, you are very welcome to join me and bring all your camera gear.
    Regards,
    Keith Walker.

  24. 18 March, 2017 at 7:05 pmrichard says:

    Dylan,
    I have seen this Centaur

    http://www.boatshed.com/westerly_centaur-boat-224666.html

    It’s up for auction with a start of £2500 and it has a newish Beta 20HP
    It is on the main boatshed site for £4950 so they are keen to sell before the marina fees are due.
    With a low bid and a Propex heater kit on ebay £465 could that get you back in the game?
    Richard
    PS I have been looking at heaters, the other good option seems to be the Hampshire Charcoal heater for £730

    • 18 March, 2017 at 7:40 pmdylan winter says:

      R,

      I have to focus getting the cash flow back in proper balance before I can consider my next move

      having said that, it does look like a goodun

      D

  25. 18 March, 2017 at 7:07 pmrichard says:

    Perhaps we could crowd fund the bid too?

  26. 19 March, 2017 at 9:49 pmJonathan Sharman says:

    I have found the ideal job for you ;o)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2bHx65CjV8

    • 19 March, 2017 at 9:55 pmdylan winter says:

      I would burn like a crisp in all that sunshine – mind you, whoever does it will be spending a lot of time sitting below in a hot hull slaving over a hot laptop. Editing on a laptop is a real challenge.

  27. 19 March, 2017 at 11:22 pmAquaplane says:

    I had a propex heater once, stick to the ubiquitous diesel fueled ones, there must be a reason folk do it. Especially an Origo stove convert, it’s good to be gas free. My Wallas is Paraffin fueled but that’s like diesel.

    Bob.

    • 20 March, 2017 at 8:02 amdylan winter says:

      I agree – gas makes me nervous, does not work that well when it is cold and is expensive. It is fast for cooking though – but maybe that is not a massive advantage on a boat

  28. 25 March, 2017 at 11:44 pmMatthew says:

    You are an inspiration to us all. THATS why I donate. If you ever in canada, Belleville ontario to be exact, hit me up ill take you out on a lovely sail around our beautiful bay of quinty

    • 26 March, 2017 at 8:31 amdylan winter says:

      thanks M

      I do get the odd angry email though – so I guess I inspire a few to anger as well

      I have been on the receiving end of some vituperation for naming the scottish toffs as being responsible for the clearances

      that did not go down well

      Amazingly there is one bloke who diligently goes through all the youtube films and gives me a thumbs down

      genius

      D

    • 27 March, 2017 at 12:52 pmpeter c says:

      Thx D , nice to hear another Quinte sailor watches your stuff, only a few miles from me, so sail past Matthew’s place all the time when the ice is gone. Thats why l haunt the Chesapeake, tad warmer.

  29. 26 March, 2017 at 5:55 pmLen McEwen says:

    I have tapped again as I definitely want to see the journey continue complete with the great videos and stories. I hope that this continues to help you.
    Len

    • 26 March, 2017 at 6:35 pmdylan winter says:

      Len,

      at the moment, provided the income holds through the last 10 films, I am on schedule to buy something smaller, tougher and in end of season condition come Decewmber/January. It can be anywhere in the UK because I can always sail it to the outer hebrides. I need a tatty fisher with a good engine

      Len, you have been an excellent regular. Either you are an insanely successful councilor or you are an ice bound Canadian sailor slowly going mad while watching for signs of a thaw

      Dylan

  30. 27 March, 2017 at 12:48 pmpeter c says:

    Well done D, you are no 1.
    A post this morning on youtube, second chance sailing by good looking pete, confirms it.
    His take on the top ten sites is not bad, top three are my choice as well. Likely mirror a lot of the guys.
    His comments on you nail it.

  31. 17 April, 2017 at 10:17 pmLuke says:

    Iya Dylan! I’d just finished watching one or two scotland videos, which were brilliant, and then had to go and do actual life stuff again, rather than worship the laptop. Next time I look on and your westerly has sold :( I too was under the impression you were a well sorted bloke from the south ( north of the boarder, just south of sheffield) who would be sailing for some time. I start new job tomorrow and will be tapping up soon. I loved your humber videos, riding upto tetney harbour, then up the humber to the ouse york way, then riding down and up the trent all the way to torksey lock keeper neils lock, then onto the witham and out past boston. I did the same journey with old BW ( CRT to those who weren’t on the waterways boating in days gone by) painting all the rise and fall posts and waterside furniture from lincoln to boston. Loved it. the work narrowboat had a cd player and lincoln got its education from zz top, kate bush, prince etc. I hope to get on the water in a boat of my own on day, for now it will be the kayak that was pulled out of stamp end lock. I found this on ebay. No idea of your current budget, but its slightly less than the 25k you mentioned above.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/40ft-steel-ketch-Motor-Sailer-Sailing-Yacht-Liveaboard-/152498899921?hash=item2381a48bd1:g:6mEAAOSw~CFY5POV

    • 18 April, 2017 at 9:19 amdylan winter says:

      that is a monster of a yacht. I would never have the metal hammer and paint pot out of my hand. whatever I buy it will have to be plastic and small

      • 18 April, 2017 at 8:14 pmLuke says:

        Yeah and I can understand why, Tbf you’d probably need an 18ton lorry to move it by road but I thought you should know about it. I want to see more of your films up. You’ve done more for promoting sailing and inland waterways than the nations industry put together as far as i am concerned. Hope you’re proud of it. You’ve got me put off the canal cruisers and looking for a sail boat holiday, possibly a sail boat.

  32. 18 April, 2017 at 8:10 amStephen Mundane says:

    Or for around a tenth of the price of the big steel beast above, how about this 1980s Scandanavian style, Centaur-sized, motor sailer?

    http://www.cheapboats.org.uk/sailing-boats/arransen-780-yacht/

    Hot water, warm air heating, clean-looking engine, sheltered wheel steering position behind a wind shield which could be made even more sheltered with a sprayhood, plus a tiller, bilge keels (I’m guessing here) etc. Just needs some fettling — easier to say than do, I know.

  33. 18 April, 2017 at 9:56 pmAllison says:

    Hi I am part of the 3% not a male grumpy auld bugger.
    Have you tried crowd funding not sure how it works but every bugger is doing it, for just about any old thing.
    Will send you a wee donation, why not, you actually very entertaining, informative and beautiful scenery make it worth while.

  34. 18 April, 2017 at 10:27 pmDavid says:

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fisher-25-Motor-Sailer-/162478614667?hash=item25d47ae88b:g:nFIAAOSwSypY9Px5
    Not bad eh, and ideally situated to start exploring n wales, the Irish Sea and up to lovely scotland

    • 18 April, 2017 at 11:30 pmdylan winter says:

      cool- it has bilge keels – but even worse accommodation than an ordinary fisher. I shall watch with interest.

    • 20 April, 2017 at 9:39 pmdylan winter says:

      I have spotted that one – it has bilge keels too which would be nice

      however, the accommodation is really weird – so Jill has already vetoed it.

  35. 22 April, 2017 at 3:11 pmJack says:

    And a tap from me too… A US tenner here is about the equivalent of a Tightarse Tuesday cinema ticket, and you’re better that what’s on at the flicks.

  36. 24 April, 2017 at 12:01 amsimon leslie ellis says:

    Sorry, had to look up ‘Pulchritudinous’ Dylan

    (Pulchritudinous. The definition of pulchritudinous is a way to describe great physical beauty. A person who is very beautiful would be described as pulchritudinous.)

    I just invested in a 1980s Mirage 2700. Feels considerably roomier and than the Centaur with a deck that feels remarkably like the EBoat. Similar condition/engine/price at Lilly M. Just a thought?

    For me, a step up after sailing a Sailfish 18 for the last thirteen years.

    Simon

  37. 27 April, 2017 at 11:46 amRob Gray says:

    Hi Dylan,

    Glad the tide has now turned after the slack. My Mum loved your CD vids that you sent. She lived on her father’s yacht part of WW2 whilst he was away on payback for the three brothers who went off to WW1 and never returned. He did well – DSC etc. I still have his D Day chart where he and others went in June 5/6th to minesweep the approach channel to the beaches. Liked your bit on the Shetland Bus. Said maternal grandfather was posted from HMS Glorious a few weeks before she was sunk on return from Norway by Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. He nicked an ashtray on leaving which stayed in the family for years until a chance conversation with a friend of mine whose uncle, it turned out, had gone down with Glorious. Their family now has the ashtray. His father was a tail gunner in Lancs (imagine).

    The problem that you have occasioned with your vids, however, is that at 89 Mum now demands to be taken back out on the water in a few weeks time …………….thanks! Just sent a payment via PayPal. If you need ‘stuff’ for your new boat I have a barn load of all sorts from 40 years of boat projects. You have a great set of followers out there. Keep going. Best wishes, Rob

  38. 28 April, 2017 at 2:20 amChris says:

    Hi Dylan,
    I recently came across your video’s and I have enjoyed them tremendously (Scotland). I haven’t got to the others, but I can only imagine they are done just as well. I will be honest, I’m finding your argument of making films and the lack of support (monetary) rather head scratching. I didn’t know the idea of putting out video’s on youtube was strictly a business. I alway’s thought youtube was a way to post your/posters experiences and share them with the rest of the world (a choice). I understand some make money and some don’t. Is that the point, to make money and have your dreams and aspirations financed by youtube? There are ways to make films and generate money if that’s what you want to do. Heck, I’d wish everyone would chip in and finance my dreams and ambitions as well. I noticed you talk about ‘freeloaders” not contributing to your video’s and financing your adventures. Do you contribute to all the subscriptions that you belong to? I noticed a few bikini sailing websites that you seem to condone, you have a subscription to. Hey, your entitled to subscribe to anything you wish, I’m not here to tell you otherwise. I was just thinking what if you deleted a majority of those sites and put that cash back into your pocket (assuming you donate to their content as well) you might have a little more to put back into your budget. I know it sounds like I’m coming down on you but i’m not. You can make your own decisions on what you want to do with your site, and say anything you wish.You are more than entitled to do that (that is your right and you have the freedoms to do that). I’m just trying to understand your rational. I don’t have a youtube account. But, if I did, I’d make video’s because I wanted to, not because I expected anything in return from them. Maybe that’s what separates me from you and the many of youtubers that are money motivated for financial gain. If you aren’t making $$ doing this than don’t put any more resources into it. I take it you enjoy doing what you do (it shows), you seem to be just disappointed by the lack of $$ heading your way. Heck, isn’t sailing enough and experiencing your own adventures satisfying? Don’t make video’s because you have to, make them because you want to. Seems like you are generating a little bit of money for the cause while doing what you love. Can’t be all that bad. But, if you are losing more money than you are putting into it, or are not making enough profit to meet your “obligations”, maybe your in the wrong business. I wish you all the best. I hope you find your next boat, and I hope you continue to grow your audience and website. I think you’re a pretty lucky man.

  39. 28 April, 2017 at 3:04 pmClive says:

    or has Chris actually missed the point?

  40. 29 April, 2017 at 10:44 pmJonathan Sharman says:

    I see that your new logo already includes the Fisher. Any closer to a purchase?

  41. 1 May, 2017 at 9:38 amPerry says:

    Hello Dylan,

    It’s a privilege to pay £10 for access to your site.

    I stayed (camped) on Orpheus, a Freeman 22 Mk 2 from end of June until first week in October in 2015 on the Thames. My home port was the Bounty in Bourne End, because the owners offered an overnight mooring to those who ate & drank there. I loved it. http://thebountypub.com/

    We trailered the boat to the house in the belief we’d repaint etc over that winter, but we Dylaned & Dallied & there it sat. 2016 came & went, because other matters took priority, Sanding has now been completed. We’ll see if we can return Orpheus to the water, some time in June. However, I would like to draw your attention to Louis Sauzedde of Wickford, Rhode Island, who built the most beguiling Lumber Yard Skiff over 37 episodes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C22Crc7XHoI

    He sold the skiff on Ebay last week for $21,100 & the reason I mention this is that he is 67 & he built the skiff from lumber he already had.

    However, Walter Baron, not too far away in Welfleet, uses plywood to build skiffs.. http://www.oldwharf.com/walter-baron-boat-builder/

    I bought a set of his plans for his LYS for $60 delivered & I am determined to have one. Scroll down to #14 to see how nice they can be. http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?138899-lumber-yard-skiff&highlight=jclays

    OTOH, Sam Devlin in the Pacific North West designs & builds stitch & glue boats. Here is a link to his sailboats. https://www.devlinboat.com/sailboats/

    Perhaps constructing the boat of your dreams is something to consider?

    All the best,

    Perry

  42. 3 May, 2017 at 12:11 pmBill Brannan, Tollesbury says:

    “Blocky shit of a motor sailor” I say old chap, steady on, Tutak has looked after me for many years and doesn’t want to hear language like that. She might take offence and kill me!

    All this cuffuffle has lead me to ponder on why I like your films. The are what I do. I don’t re watch them but they remind me of where I’ve been and what I’ve done. What you give me is history and more on land. Me legs don’t allow too much shore side time.

    I will put something in the pot for the “Let’s get Dylan an F25” fund!

    Bill.

    • 3 May, 2017 at 3:50 pmdylan winter says:

      I do hope you are not upset by the prose – I aim to prove some people wrong about Fisher 25s. Currently more or less on target for some sort of re-boot in the middle of next winter in an end of season condition Fisher. They tend to be the last boat old blokes own…. so there are a few once loved but now neglected examples around. I would even be willing to fit a replacement engine if I can make the maths ad up. re-engining a Fisher 25 has to be a better financial proposition that re-engining a Centaur. A top spec Centaur with a new engine is £10K. A top spec Fisher with a good engine goes for £25K so a £6K engine transplant can make sense

      I am also assuming that with a big ghoster they can be made to go. I have walked around one and I think with a tiller extension you can sit on the windward or leeward rail and pretend you are sailing a proper yacht.

      If you decide to give up on yours Bill……

  43. 4 May, 2017 at 3:19 pmWarren says:

    Re Patreon……..sorry old subject
    But the gone with the wynns posted a q&a video
    And answer about the decision to go with Patreoncan’t there experience with it etc.
    https://youtu.be/Asfa52x7BmA Q is at about 5:30

    They had some of your conserns, its worth a couple of minutes to hear what these very experiences posters say.
    Cheers warren

    • 4 May, 2017 at 5:23 pmdylan winter says:

      they seem very nice people and have the same concerns as I do

      however, there the comparisons end

      the wynns – beautiful people….. 21 million hits https://www.youtube.com/user/gonewiththewynns/about

      400 patrons earning $2,200 per film/month not sure which – and they are knocking out 4 films a month

      KTL …. jowly old bloke …..1.6 million hits https://www.youtube.com/user/KeepTurningLeft/about

      creating 8 films a year……

      I doubt that the I would get 100 patrons

      and with the current chip in when you feel like it allowed the last four KTL films hit the £2K target.

      I am not writing Patreon off….. but while this plan is working I am going to stick with it.

      • 5 May, 2017 at 1:02 pmWarren says:

        Dylan, You may not have picked up that they(Wynns) got their huge following from their previous 6 years of R Ving all over the USA. I have watch some of those videos and they are just as good not like some of the old folks and red neck type RV stuff out there…… They also don’t make as much as Pateron suggests either.
        I also think you under estimate your worth. I think you would get 300 patreons but even at 100 at say an average of $10 there is $1000 plus the added pay as you go format & you have the 2K. If you had 200 patreons ……

        I am very close to becoming a Patreon ( while I’m still working) on a few channels as I watch them a lot , mainly since your troubles as I started looking arround ……right now my list is probably
        Follow the boat, gone with the Wynns,sailing emerald steel, MJsailing,Drake paragon,Salt & Tar,
        All really hard working folks and I think deserve recognition for their hard work. I spend over $80 a month for some fairly basic TV so another $20 for the entertainment I actually watch should be a no brainier. And I’m a really anti- subscription type of guy! ( they have all received one time contributions already).
        Dunno, you are one of the early pioneers of the sailing channels and should benefit from the genre you helped create.
        Thanks for letting me post my long winded thoughts on your site.
        Cheers Warren.
        Ps if anybody wants to see my list of favorite YT channels they can check out my channel subscription list at ‘warp21drive’….. Mainly sailing related.

  44. 5 May, 2017 at 10:04 pmMike Griffiths says:

    Dylan
    Inspired to buy a Boat with a friend thanks to your Blog & films. Guess what a Lovely Centaur and i was inspired by your east coast Trip to Scotland so will be sailing the Firth of Forth this year & who knows next year.
    Looking forward to following you down the West coast!

    • 6 May, 2017 at 10:33 amdylan winter says:

      Goodonya Mike

      nothing like an adventure or two

      I hope the partnership goes well and that the engine is good to you

      the centaur will not let you down

      D

  45. 9 May, 2017 at 5:29 amTom Keevil says:

    Dylan, I’ve tried to tap you a few US$, but the paypal link is not working. Get the message: “Things don’t appear to be working at the moment. Please try again later.” It’s been that way for several days.

  46. 17 May, 2017 at 11:12 amAnthony Chadwick says:

    I haven’t been on your blog for a while, and have looked through this posting about your Centaur and deciding to downscale. A friend of mine called Roger Barnes had a yacht at one time, a hefty wooden vessel, a Hillyard or something similar. He was up against the enormous costs of mooring and maintenance. He bought an Ilur, which is a 16ft open lug rig dinghy designed by François Vivier to a traditional fishing boat design. He goes on cruises as a “hard bastard”. He has a bit more comfort than I on my 12ft Zef with the Mirror rig. A boat with a lid is more pleasant for sleeping at night and keeping your stuff dry. Whether you go for an open boat or a small transportable yacht you can launch and recover yourself on a slipway, I think you will be happier. I am often tempted to buy a Hurley 22, but am always brought back to this sobering reality of cost. Good luck. Anthony

    • 17 May, 2017 at 12:08 pmdylan winter says:

      A,

      I agree small boats are cheapere and easier to manage and sail… in the right place. So I am sailing the small boat up my gentle East Coast rivers.

      but

      an open boat in scotland with camera gear costing £2000 is a non starter – 3.5m of rain a year……I could do it for three summer months but filming and re-charging 20 camera batteries would be impossible.

      Filming in the spring, autumn and winter would be really tough

      D

  47. 19 May, 2017 at 10:20 pmLuke says:

    Iya. payday came yesterday. I’ll be tapping your this weekend. I was looking on ebay for the now vanished Nomad 22 I’ve been watching for some time. Sad to see what might have become my first boat if it’d stayed for sale for long enough. Oh well. Yeah, whilst i was on ebay patrol I saw this. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Colvic-32-Motor-Sailer-Priced-to-Sell-/152549486435?hash=item2384a86f63:g:rnsAAOSwIQdZGcyG Looks well priced to me, A dint more than beloved centaur. Dunno how you’d feed the ropes into the cabin on this one, though

    • 19 May, 2017 at 11:30 pmdylan winter says:

      it does look good – too big though Luke. With a smaller boat you can get cheaper places to park

  48. 19 May, 2017 at 10:23 pmLuke says:

    Something more affordable for me over that nomad would be a sadler seawych. Have you ever had one, if so how would you rate it?

    • 19 May, 2017 at 11:21 pmdylan winter says:

      smaller cockpit – and those deep keels would make it hard to trail and sail and you would need a dinghy

      • 20 May, 2017 at 10:28 amLuke says:

        The keels on the seawych look to be shallower than those on your centaur, not bad for creek crawling. What was your other boat lily m?

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